shago Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Catchers Ramon Castro (35) - club option Victor Martinez (32) Bengie Molina (36) Jose Molina (36) - $1.2MM club option Miguel Olivo (32) - $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout A.J. Pierzynski (34) Yorvit Torrealba (32) - $3.5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout Gregg Zaun (40) - $2.25MM club option with a $250K buyout First basemen Lance Berkman (35) - $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout Russell Branyan (35) - $5MM mutual option Jorge Cantu (29) Adam Dunn (31) Troy Glaus (34) Aubrey Huff (34) Nick Johnson (32) - $5.5MM mutual option with a $250K buyout Paul Konerko (35) Adam LaRoche (31) - $7.5MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout Derrek Lee (35) Lyle Overbay (34) Carlos Pena (33) Albert Pujols (31) - $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout Second basemen Mark Ellis (34) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout Orlando Hudson (33) Omar Infante (29) - $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout Adam Kennedy (35) - $2MM club option Kaz Matsui (35) Nick Punto (33) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout Shortstops Orlando Cabrera (36) - $4MM mutual option with a $500K-$1MM buyout Alex Gonzalez (33) - $2.5MM club option Cristian Guzman (33) Omar Infante (29) - $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout Derek Jeter (37) Jhonny Peralta (29) - $7MM club option with a $250K buyout Nick Punto (33) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout Edgar Renteria (35) - $10.5MM club option with a $500K buyout Jose Reyes (28) - $11MM club option with a $500K buyout Miguel Tejada (37) Juan Uribe (31) Third basemen Adrian Beltre (32) - $5MM player option with a $1MM buyout. Option reaches $10MM with 640 PAs in 2010. Eric Chavez (33) - $12.5MM club option with a $3MM buyout Omar Infante (29) - $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout Brandon Inge (34) Aramis Ramirez (33) - $14.6MM player option Ty Wigginton (33) Left fielders Pat Burrell (34) Carl Crawford (29) Johnny Damon (37) Jonny Gomes (30) - $1.75MM club option with a $200K buyout Bill Hall (31) - $9.25MM club option with a $500K buyout Austin Kearns (31) Jason Kubel (29) - $5.25MM club option with a $350K buyout Scott Podsednik (35) - $2MM mutual option with a $100K buyout Manny Ramirez (39) Center fielders Rick Ankiel (31) - $6MM mutual option with a $500K buyout Coco Crisp (31) - $5.75MM option with a $575K buyout David DeJesus (31) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout Right fielders Andruw Jones (34) Austin Kearns (31) Magglio Ordonez (37) - $15MM club option Jayson Werth (32) Designated hitters Pat Burrell (34) Johnny Damon (37) Jason Giambi (40) Vladimir Guerrero (36) - $9MM mutual option with possible $1MM buyout Jason Kubel (29) - $5.25MM club option with a $350K buyout David Ortiz (35) - $12.5MM club option Manny Ramirez (39) Jim Thome (40) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 If Ankiel could stay healthy, would he be the cheap answer for DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 02:51 PM) If Ankiel could stay healthy, would he be the cheap answer for DH? You're basically counting on a big comeback from a guy who might well no longer be on the magic juice. Thanks to 4 HR in his first 90 at bats, he was slightly above average with the Royals, and he's been well below average since heading to the Braves. He's never gotten more than 450 PA's in a season. His combined OPS over the last 2 years is .681. He'll be 31 years old next year. That's a "scraping the bottom of the barrel" kind of move to me. If you want to keep Jones and make them a full time platoon DH situation...it might be plausible...but there's a real solid chance that he doesn't give you any more than Kotsay over a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Ankiel also would be a waste by not keeping him in the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I'm not sure if I'm even joking, but can someone list the 2001 All-star roster? Probably a better idea of the type of player KW/Ozzie will target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Hmmm let's see... I'll have a Victor Martinez, an Adam Dunn and one of those Adrian Beltres please... Oh and I'll have a Chin Soo Choo trade in the offseason too. That's it. Keep the change. Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 01:51 PM) If Ankiel could stay healthy, would he be the cheap answer for DH? If we get Ankiel, he'll be like next year's version of Mark Teahen. I'm sure you'll like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) I'm not sure if I'm even joking, but can someone list the 2001 All-star roster? Probably a better idea of the type of player KW/Ozzie will target. Actually, Garcia and Manny were the only 2 players from the 2001 ASG that played for the Sox since 2001 I think you are probably referring to the guys who were former allstars, then faded and then targeted by Kenny, guys like Vizquel, Jones and Putz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Ankiel was playing for the Royals Triple A team for god sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) Ankiel was playing for the Royals Triple A team for god sake So was Alex Gordon. Anyway...that doesn't really tell you anything...he was playing there mostly on a rehab stint, and he performed well enough there that it got him a callup and eventually helped interest the Braves in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) So was Alex Gordon. Anyway...that doesn't really tell you anything...he was playing there mostly on a rehab stint, and he performed well enough there that it got him a callup and eventually helped interest the Braves in a trade. anyhow, don't want him anywhere near the Sox Like you said, he was Mark Kotsay on juice before, now he's Mark Kotsay without the juice, and with the fragility of Wood/Prior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 03:24 PM) anyhow, don't want him anywhere near the Sox I might be willing to consider a minor league deal with an invitation to ST for him...but only as option like 3/4 if others fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 Ankiel's represented by Boras, I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) I'm not sure if I'm even joking, but can someone list the 2001 All-star roster? Probably a better idea of the type of player KW/Ozzie will target. LOL. Probably not far off. Just for fun... here are some of the guys from that game that are still playing... (alot more than I expected actually) Ivan Rodriguez Maggs Jorge Posada Troy Glaus Freddy Garcia Ichiro Manny Arod Jeter Billy Wagner Ben Sheets Chipper Jones Albert Pujols Vladimir Guerrero Lance Berkman Andy Petitte Jimmy Rollins Todd Helton Cristian Guzman Mike Cameron Chan Ho Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 There's a couple of combinations. Honestly, it depends on what the Sox do with Konerko and for how much. I'd personally love for Beltre to come here, sign Uribe as a backup INF, go after VMart, but if it doesn't work out, go for Olivo and resign Manny and Andruw. That's not possible here with Konerko on a large contract. There's tons of different ways the Sox can go this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 13, 2010 Share Posted September 13, 2010 I agree that much of what happens over the off-season will hinge on Konerko. I would hope he's re-signed, and $8-$12 million a year seems likely for him. If one of Manny or Andruw is brought back, I'd have to go for Jones. He'd cost less, and I think he has more power nowadays. VMart would be great, but I wouldn't be surprised to see AJ behind the plate for at least one more year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I know it probably won't happen but I'd like to see Flowers starting next year. Bat him ninth. He had a low average but I bet he could have a higher OBP and RBI than Pierzynski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 resign omar & jones, Tank to 1B, morel to 3B, and Flowers at C invest the saved $ into the bullpen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (striker @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 10:08 PM) I know it probably won't happen but I'd like to see Flowers starting next year. Bat him ninth. He had a low average but I bet he could have a higher OBP and RBI than Pierzynski. You don't want to see that. Flowers is ALMOST a non-prospect at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 That is the thing that kills me and it seems it happens alot when regular posters try to "evaluate" prospects. A prospect has one bad year after mashing every level he was at, only to have his swing changed in the off-season and his mind mentally f***ed because of mechanics and now he's horrid? Tyler Flowers put up a .220/.334/.434/.768 line in his worst year in the minors at AAA (which was his first full year after putting up .286/.364/.438/.803 in 105 ABs last year). Now I'm not saying he'll pan out (since that does happen as well.. prospects are hit or miss) but a guy who will be making the minimum next season and will probably put up a better OBP than A.J. without even trying (and has more offensive "potential", though I hate that word) I would like to at least see what he can do next season, and hope Greg Walker doesn't try to continue to fix what ain't broke. (or.. maybe wasn't broke prior) A.J. is hitting .268/.300/.383/.682, 82 OPS+ this year. Flowers will never match A.J. in average, but I'm sure he can put up a .300 OBP (and a higher OPS) at the major league level making peanuts, especially if the sox can address the other areas that are much more important (a hitting DH/RF/1B [whatever happens to Konerko and/or Quentin, 3B if they don't like what they see in Morel, bullpen, LF [ya thats just me talking since I do not like Pierre] etc..) Now if the sox have something else planned in the off-season (FA signing/trade lined up for a solid catcher) fine, but I'm one of the few that prefers we go in a different direction as far as the catchers position (unless we might have another DH-like situation, then you bring A.J. back or if we've upgraded at DH/possibly 1B if PK is gone, 3B, possibly LF/RF substantially, than sure, A.J. wouldn't kill you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 12:44 AM) That is the thing that kills me and it seems it happens alot when regular posters try to "evaluate" prospects. A prospect has one bad year after mashing every level he was at, only to have his swing changed in the off-season and his mind mentally f***ed because of mechanics and now he's horrid? Tyler Flowers put up a .220/.334/.434/.768 line in his worst year in the minors at AAA (which was his first full year after putting up .286/.364/.438/.803 in 105 ABs last year). Now I'm not saying he'll pan out (since that does happen as well.. prospects are hit or miss) but a guy who will be making the minimum next season and will probably put up a better OBP than A.J. without even trying (and has more offensive "potential", though I hate that word) I would like to at least see what he can do next season, and hope Greg Walker doesn't try to continue to fix what ain't broke. (or.. maybe wasn't broke prior) A.J. is hitting .268/.300/.383/.682, 82 OPS+ this year. Flowers will never match A.J. in average, but I'm sure he can put up a .300 OBP (and a higher OPS) at the major league level making peanuts, especially if the sox can address the other areas that are much more important (a hitting DH/RF/1B [whatever happens to Konerko and/or Quentin, 3B if they don't like what they see in Morel, bullpen, LF [ya thats just me talking since I do not like Pierre] etc..) Now if the sox have something else planned in the off-season (FA signing/trade lined up for a solid catcher) fine, but I'm one of the few that prefers we go in a different direction as far as the catchers position (unless we might have another DH-like situation, then you bring A.J. back or if we've upgraded at DH/possibly 1B if PK is gone, 3B, possibly LF/RF substantially, than sure, A.J. wouldn't kill you) You don't consider the fact that KW was willing to deal Tyler for two months of Adam Dunn alarming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (scotty22hotty @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 10:35 PM) resign omar & jones, Tank to 1B, morel to 3B, and Flowers at C invest the saved $ into the bullpen And your third place at best Chicago White Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 12:48 AM) You don't consider the fact that KW was willing to deal Tyler for two months of Adam Dunn alarming? Like I said... if your getting a bat next season (upgrading at DH or 1B if PK leaves, 3B, etc..) you do it without hesitation and bring back A.J. who won't kill you. I'm sure any of us would have done the same thing. (especially netting 2 draft picks out of it) I mean come on.. it's Adam Dunn. But for a franchise who has been crying poor, despite actually spending, I would assume they would be playing more guys at the minimum, especially having a 50+ million dollar rotation locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 12:52 AM) Like I said... if your getting a bat next season (upgrading at DH or 1B if PK leaves, 3B, etc..) you do it without hesitation and bring back A.J. who won't kill you. I'm sure any of us would have done the same thing. (especially netting 2 draft picks out of it) I mean come on.. it's Adam Dunn. But for a franchise who has been crying poor, despite actually spending, I would assume they would be playing more guys at the minimum, especially having a 50+ million dollar rotation locked up. Not if I thought Flowers was a legitimate prospect. He's been trash ever since he left Bham for Charlotte. And it's not like we're talking about a 20/21 year-old that was rushed to AAA. I'm not saying he's flat done as a prospect. But many prospect 'experts' have soured on him quite a bit. And even when he was mashing his defense has always been a concern. He'll be 25 before the either baseball season starts next year and there's just too many questions for me to feel good about him even in a part-time role. Edited September 14, 2010 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I wonder what the Sox will do about the outfield. Pierre and Rios will almost for sure be back, but RF is the question mark. I don't want to see Quentin struggling out there again, and Jones can't play every day. And as far as I know, we don't have a prospect ready to step in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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