2010-2011 NBA Thread

[Soxbadger]

Lebron worked all off season so he can basically play entire games during the playoffs, how is that not working hard?

[Steve9347]

Two Jordan's on the same team are going to need some time to gel.

bad, inaccurate, baiting

[Jordan4life_2007]

Seriously, man, the Heat had stretches where it was evident their work ethic wasn't at 100%. The Bulls spent all year running and playing big minutes and Thibs losing his s*** on the sidelines. The Bulls are the quintessential "high-effort" team, and it showed when they used that effort to sweep the Heat in the regular season.

 

I guess will agree to disagree. I guess it's Aaron Rowand syndrome. Talented guys aren't trying as hard because they're talented. And guys not as talented try harder because they're not as talented. That's always irked me.

[jenksycat]

If he spent the summer working on a post game as hard as Rose spent last summer working on his jumpshot, it'd be a sight to behold. Suddenly give him multilple methods of scoring the ball making use of his size.

 

I really do wonder what he does in the off season. Been in the league 8 years and has 0 post game. He's bigger, stronger and faster than 99% of the people who can even consider guarding him...and he has no post game. Makes 0 sense, or really makes 100% sense that he doesn't reaaaaalllly give a s*** as long as he gets to play house with his buddies.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Lebron worked all off season so he can basically play entire games during the playoffs, how is that not working hard?

 

Lebron worked all offseason on promoting himself and decorating his Miami mansion. It's been a common theme among everyone around him that he's not 100% about winning like a Kobe or Jordan.

[Steve9347]

Lebron worked all off season so he can basically play entire games during the playoffs, how is that not working hard?

I have to agree with this... look at LeBron's f***ing frame and how ripped he is. He's f***ing huge. That's not magic. I've been working for 5 months to drop weight and add muscle. Sure, it's his job, but LeBron is a physical beast and that doesn't happen by sitting on your ass.

[StrangeSox]

I have to agree with this... look at LeBron's f***ing frame and how ripped he is. He's f***ing huge. That's not magic. I've been working for 5 months to drop weight and add muscle. Sure, it's his job, but LeBron is a physical beast and that doesn't happen by sitting on your ass.

 

Lifting weights isn't the same as working on your game, though.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I really do wonder what he does in the off season. Been in the league 8 years and has 0 post game. He's bigger, stronger and faster than 99% of the people who can even consider guarding him...and he has no post game. Makes 0 sense, or really makes 100% sense that he doesn't reaaaaalllly give a s*** as long as he gets to play house with his buddies.

 

Who really cares about a post game? The game has changed. He doesn't need a post game. He won two MVPs (would've won a third this year if everybody didn't hate him) doing exactly what he does. The NBA manipulated the rules to favor wings/guards and the best player in the league has taken advantage. If this was 1998 I'd probably agree.

[Steve9347]

I guess will agree to disagree. I guess it's Aaron Rowand syndrome. Talented guys aren't trying as hard because they're talented. And guys not as talented try harder because they're not as talented. That's always irked me.

Yeah, agree to disagree. No need to keep up this part of the argument.

Edited May 26, 2011 by Steve9347

[Steve9347]

I really do wonder what he does in the off season. Been in the league 8 years and has 0 post game. He's bigger, stronger and faster than 99% of the people who can even consider guarding him...and he has no post game. Makes 0 sense, or really makes 100% sense that he doesn't reaaaaalllly give a s*** as long as he gets to play house with his buddies.

By virtue of magic and not working hard, I guess?

[Steve9347]

Lifting weights isn't the same as working on your game, though.

Were you even listening on Tuesday night? LeBron totally changed his routine to be capable of beast mode come this time of year after getting his ass beat going deep into the playoffs year after year by his f***ing self.

 

Yoga, weights, training, gym. It ain't no picnic, and it doesn't happen by magic.

[RockRaines]

Who really cares about a post game? The game has changed. He doesn't need a post game. He won two MVPs (would've won a third this year if everybody didn't hate him) doing exactly what he does. The NBA manipulated the rules to favor wings/guards and the best player in the league has taken advantage. If this was 1998 I'd probably agree.

Wings that can play in the post are a huge mismatch. Jordan was so great as he aged because he implemented a post game against smaller guards. The rules in the post favor the offensive player more now than before, so not sure how it changed to support your point.

[jenksycat]

By virtue of magic and not working hard, I guess?

 

Uh, what? Those are all physical gifts, I don't think they've created a way to work on your height yet although it may be in a lab somewhere.

 

And it's not about "the game has changed" bs...he's dominant without a post game, imagine what he'd be WITH a post game.

 

Either way, hes still a colossal tool, not much he can work on for that

[Jordan4life_2007]

Wings that can play in the post are a huge mismatch. Jordan was so great as he aged because he implemented a post game against smaller guards. The rules in the post favor the offensive player more now than before, so not sure how it changed to support your point.

 

But back then you could physically manhandle perimeter players. Joe Dumars wasn't a great defender because of his athletic ability. Could LeBron go down low more? Maybe. But it's really not an issue. Not at this stage in his career when he's in his athletic prime.

[StrangeSox]

Were you even listening on Tuesday night? LeBron totally changed his routine team to be capable of beast mode come this time of year after getting his ass beat going deep into the playoffs year after year by his f***ing self.

 

Yoga, weights, training, gym. It ain't no picnic, and it doesn't happen by magic.

 

fyp

[ZoomSlowik]

This whole line of discussion is funny. Look around the league, 90% of the post players don't have a post game.

[Steve9347]

Uh, what? Those are all physical gifts

Strength is not a physical gift.

[StrangeSox]

But back then you could physically manhandle perimeter players. Joe Dumars wasn't a great defender because of his athletic ability. Could LeBron go down low more? Maybe. But it's really not an issue. Not at this stage in his career when he's in his athletic prime.

 

With a good post game, he'd be unguardable.

 

I'm not saying he's some lazy POS who's wasting his talents, just that he's never appeared quite as dedicated as other some other players. And that, given his natural talents, if he was as focused, he'd be even better than he is now.

[Soxbadger]

Lebron could post if he wanted, it just doesnt make a lot of sense with the scheme Miami runs.

 

Lebron in the post would bring an immediate double team from whatever C/PF is guarding Joel Anthony, and could potentially lead to Lebron being pinned against the baseline (effectively triple team).

 

Lebron isnt playing the paint right now, because it really would be an ineffective use of his talents, which include being faster and ability to penetrate. Unlike Jordan most teams dont even attempt to put a 6'4 or smaller guy on Lebron, in almost every match up his biggest advantage is quickness on the ball.

 

If anything he should post more to get other guys open going to the hoop.

[whitesoxfan99]

So my takeaway from this discussion is that there are people that think the clear cut best player in the NBA isn't working hard enough? Interesting.

[RockRaines]

But back then you could physically manhandle perimeter players. Joe Dumars wasn't a great defender because of his athletic ability. Could LeBron go down low more? Maybe. But it's really not an issue. Not at this stage in his career when he's in his athletic prime.

Defensively you cannot hand check or really use a forearm, and the charging rules have also been changed to open up the lane and the space under the basket. If anything, defensive players back then could man handle offensive players before a foul was called, now touch fouls are the norm. Lebron should begin to explore his post game especially as he ages and his knees start to go, if he can develop that and a good fadeaway he will be dominant for a LONG time.

 

In fact, the post game is one thing I think Rose will start to add to his game even before his peak just to add another wrinkle.

[southsider2k5]

I guess will agree to disagree. I guess it's Aaron Rowand syndrome. Talented guys aren't trying as hard because they're talented. And guys not as talented try harder because they're not as talented. That's always irked me.

 

There are plenty of talented guys who played hard. One that comes to mind immediately is your namesake.

[Balta1701]

The other thing worth noting is that a rudimentary post game is exactly what the Heat offense would need to team with Bosh and Haslem. If Lebron could score from the low post, then defenses would have to forcibly deny him the ball in the low post, which means they'd have to move away from Bosh at the top of the key to provide extra help. That would open up the game Bosh is best at. They'd also have to deal with Lebrons ability to get around them if he got the ball in the low post. It'd probably improve their rebounding game by putting Lebron closer to the rim on the offensive boards too.

[RockRaines]

Strength is not a physical gift.

To an extent it is. The frame you are blessed with holds an inert amount of strength. Lebron was blessed with a very thick frame, perfect for adding muscle mass.

 

With that said, his workouts are ridiculous. I've seen them on video and if thats not working hard then I dont know what is.

[Soxbadger]

Completely disagree, Lebron is going to be the 3, unless you are suggesting Lebron 4 and Bosh 5.

 

If you have Lebron down low its immediately a double from whoever is on Joel Anthony, Haslem, its not coming off of Bosh.