2010-2011 NBA Thread

[Soxbadger]

lol

 

Come on now Janks, you know Im only arguing last night and not over the entire series.

 

Furthermore, Lebron did drive towards the end of the game, and clearly had an and 1 situation reversed which could have drastically changed the entire game.

 

Im only talking about last night, and last night Lebron was the best player on the Heat. And if you want to talk about series, on offense Lebron carried the Heat against the Bulls, Wade is carrying the Heat against Dallas.

 

Its just hilarious all the hate towards Lebron, I mean its just irrational.

[RockRaines]

lol

 

Come on now Janks, you know Im only arguing last night and not over the entire series.

 

Furthermore, Lebron did drive towards the end of the game, and clearly had an and 1 situation reversed which could have drastically changed the entire game.

 

Im only talking about last night, and last night Lebron was the best player on the Heat. And if you want to talk about series, on offense Lebron carried the Heat against the Bulls, Wade is carrying the Heat against Dallas.

 

Its just hilarious all the hate towards Lebron, I mean its just irrational.

Its not hate, its the recognition that the supposed best player on the planet completely disappears for minutes and even games at a time. If he was just another good player, his night would have been very good, but he's supposed to be head and shoulders the best, and he hasnt looked like it at all against Dallas.

[BigSqwert]

Its just hilarious all the hate towards Lebron, I mean its just irrational.

A self proclaimed King, who's never won anything, has made an embarrassingly poor choice in his televised "decision", and shows people up on the court continually and you don't understand why people hate him?

 

The only thing I don't understand is why you refuse to use the quote feature on this board.

[Steve9347]

Wade only played 6 less minutes than his average.

 

Wade was -13 compared to Lebrons -11.

 

Meaning that in less time, Wade on the floor hurt Miami more than Lebron did.

Are you sure you watched the game last night? Your argument is awful.

[Steve9347]

The only thing I don't understand is why you refuse to use the quote feature on this board.

It's like refusing to use an umbrella in a rainstorm just to be different, or eating cereal with your hands. Tools exist, use them!

[WHarris1]

When the game was tied at 100, LBJ missed, turned it over, and missed. 105-100.

Edited June 10, 2011 by WHarris1

[Steve9347]

[jenksycat]

Didn't Lebron have a 4 possesion stretch in the last couple minutes of: miss, charge, turnover (lost ball), miss?

 

THE KING

 

The hate is not irrational, the guy is a colossal d-bag who has yet to win a thing in his life.

[BigSqwert]

A Mavs blowout Sunday would be quite nice.

[BigSqwert]

THE KING

 

The hate is not irrational, the guy is a colossal d-bag who has yet to win a thing in his life.

I love you.

[WHarris1]

He shot 8 of 19 and attempted 2 free throws. The greatest basketball player on the planet, regardless of assist and rebound numbers, should probably be carrying more of a scoring load when his team needs him most. End of story.

[daa84]

His mocking is even funnier when you considering this http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...tory?id=6563197

and considering this...

 

BTW I've heard the personal stuff with Lebron is that Rashard Lewis slept with his fiance. completely and utterly just a rumor, but I have such little respect for lebron that I'm going to post it. Heard it from a buddy of mine who is fairly tied into the miami social scene.

[Soxbadger]

The more people b**** about the quote feature, the less likely I am going to use it. Even more interesting, there are plenty of people on this board who also dont use the feature, and I cant recall 1 time ever asking that they use it. I really cant understand why its such a big deal on this board, as using the quote feature takes unnecessary time and is annoying when you have to quote multiple people in the same post. That being said, Ive never had anyone complain about it on any other board, I myself have never complained about it, so if people have a problem with my posting style, the answer is simple, skip my posts.

 

Now onto the ridiculous arguments that are being raised.

 

Rock,

 

Its unreasonable expectations and quite frankly what people are wanting Lebron to do would actually hurt the Heat (imo). I give credit to Lebron for trying to be more of a team player, instead of a ME player. Yes he wont put up the numbers that MJ did, but the Bulls are not the Heat and vice versa. The statistical comparisons are nonsense because Lebron is not being asked to be MJ, hes being asked to be Magic. So if you want to hate on Lebron, hate on him compared to Magic, because that is the role he should be playing. Magic consistently put up more points, rebounds and assists than Lebron, and there is a reason for that, its because he didnt have to compete with Wade for being the playmaker.

 

The only reason Lebron should be compared to Jordan is that they at one time had the same number, since Lebron went to the Heat he has not had the MJ role.

 

Sqwert,

 

No I dont understand how people can misconstrue such simple arguments. I never said I dont understand why people hate Lebron (in fact you can go back in this very thread where Ive been extremely critical of Lebron). I said that the hate on Lebron for last nights game, is irrational, and it simply is.

 

The Heat scored 105 points, well above their average. The Heat shot 52%, they shot 25+ fts, they out rebounded Dallas. The only stats Miami was worse than Dallas were turnovers (Lebron and Wade had 4 a piece) and fg%.

 

Lebron is not the reason Miami lost last night. And anyone who is blaming Lebron for last night, is simply kicking him while hes down, because last night Lebron was not the problem.

 

Steve,

 

No one has yet to even respond to my argument, that Dallas won because of Dallas, not because of Lebron.

 

Simply put, the haters want to blame Lebron for a game that was lost. Some times you lose because the other side wins.

 

This all started with a post where I said:

 

I think people are being a little unfair to Lebron. Dallas won tonight because of the way they shot from beyond the arc. Miami shot over 50%, 25+ fts and I believe outrebounded Dallas by a significant margin.

 

Im not sure how that statement isnt true?

 

The people in this very thread are saying that they are critical of Lebron because he called himself the king or acted like a douchebag, all things that have nothing to do with the actual game that was played tonight. The argument that hes a bad person, therefore he had a bad game, doenst really fly with me. I guess I care about the game that was played, not all of the sideshow antics. Some people hate MJ because he in their mind was an arrogant prick. Should that take away from his actual game play? No.

 

Willie,

 

I cant explain why Lebron didnt get more foul calls. I thought Lebron deserved about 5-6 more fts, and Wade deserved about 4-5 less. But that was how the game was called, free throws are a pretty bad indicator of anything because you can get gift fts or you can be screwed.

 

You mention scoring role, but Lebron contributed to 37 points. 37/103 is a better than Dirk who contributed to 35 points for 35/112.

 

The fact is, Lebron contributed more to the Heat offense than Dirk did for the Dallas offense (actually Lebron contributes more to offense last night than any player outside of Wade), yet Dirk did great and Lebron did bad.

 

People are just biased against Lebron, and while I may hate what Lebron did, Im not going to completely ignore all of the statistical evidence to hate on the guy.

 

I am going to be happy if Dallas beats the Heat, I dont care how it happens.

[Jenksismyhero]

No one is saying Lebron LOST the Heat the game. Everyone is saying that someone who considers himself (and has promoted himself as) the greatest player ever didn't do much at all in the 4th quarter to try and win the game. How is that a hard concept to grasp? If you're the best you do everything possible to win the game for your team. Lebron didn't do that, despite the ridiculous natural advantages he has over other people in the league.

 

[Soxbadger]

Can you find me a quote where Lebron says hes the best player ever?

 

I dont ever recall him personally saying it, Ive seen other people call him it, but I dont believe hes said that.

[Jenksismyhero]

People are just biased against Lebron, and while I may hate what Lebron did, Im not going to completely ignore all of the statistical evidence to hate on the guy.

 

This sentence drives me crazy because this is precisely what you're doing. Great, he's played really well for 3 quarters, but when it comes time to be a superstar, to be a hall of famer, an all time great, he fades away. That's proven by the stats you continue to ignore.

[DrunkBomber]

Im not sure if these have been posted but its stuff like this that makes everyone hate the Heat:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pYGtlTnWiE...player_embedded

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foaPMZxtzx4...player_embedded

 

 

[Soxbadger]

Lebron is a superstar, Lebron is probably going to be a hall of famer.

 

I dont care if he never scored a point in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game, there are players in the Hall of Fame who never even played in the finals.

 

All Ive said is that Lebron didnt have a bad game last night.

 

(edit)

 

Or more correctly, all I said was that people were being to hard on Lebron, because Lebron wasnt the reason Dallas won.

 

It takes away from the Mavs when people act like there was more that Miami could have done. Miami does not regularly score 110+ points, Dallas beat Miami, they won the game, it wasnt about Miami beating itself.

 

Im not sure why people have to put the Heat on such a pedestal, that it cant possibly be that Dallas is better.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Soxbadger

[Jenksismyhero]

Can you find me a quote where Lebron says hes the best player ever?

 

I dont ever recall him personally saying it, Ive seen other people call him it, but I dont believe hes said that.

 

From a 2 second google search:

 

"Everywhere I've been, I've been the best player. I love being a leader, and I love being the best. I just want to get better. It's not about being cocky or selfish or anything like that. It's just how I am." (USA Today, Nov. 21, 2005)

 

I doubt he's said "i'm the greatest ever, f*** you all, including MJ." But his actions and his complete acceptance of that view from his "crew" (including ESPN) express the same point. He's the exact opposite of a guy like Rose, who's humble almost to a fault.

[southsider2k5]

This sentence drives me crazy because this is precisely what you're doing. Great, he's played really well for 3 quarters, but when it comes time to be a superstar, to be a hall of famer, an all time great, he fades away. That's proven by the stats you continue to ignore.

 

Not to mention, statistics only tell part of the story in a team game. Passing when you should be taking over the game may make your assist total look great, but it doesn't help your team win.

[RockRaines]

Yeah, Magic only had to compete with this crappy center who scored a few points a game. Lebron cant hold Magic's jock as a PG IMO. Lebron is the most talented, more physically gifted player on the planet, it wouldnt hurt the Heat at all to have him take over the game in the 4th, in fact thats how they got through the Bulls.

[chw42]

The more people b**** about the quote feature, the less likely I am going to use it. Even more interesting, there are plenty of people on this board who also dont use the feature, and I cant recall 1 time ever asking that they use it. I really cant understand why its such a big deal on this board, as using the quote feature takes unnecessary time and is annoying when you have to quote multiple people in the same post. That being said, Ive never had anyone complain about it on any other board, I myself have never complained about it, so if people have a problem with my posting style, the answer is simple, skip my posts.

 

Now onto the ridiculous arguments that are being raised.

 

Rock,

 

Its unreasonable expectations and quite frankly what people are wanting Lebron to do would actually hurt the Heat (imo). I give credit to Lebron for trying to be more of a team player, instead of a ME player. Yes he wont put up the numbers that MJ did, but the Bulls are not the Heat and vice versa. The statistical comparisons are nonsense because Lebron is not being asked to be MJ, hes being asked to be Magic. So if you want to hate on Lebron, hate on him compared to Magic, because that is the role he should be playing. Magic consistently put up more points, rebounds and assists than Lebron, and there is a reason for that, its because he didnt have to compete with Wade for being the playmaker.

 

The only reason Lebron should be compared to Jordan is that they at one time had the same number, since Lebron went to the Heat he has not had the MJ role.

 

Sqwert,

 

No I dont understand how people can misconstrue such simple arguments. I never said I dont understand why people hate Lebron (in fact you can go back in this very thread where Ive been extremely critical of Lebron). I said that the hate on Lebron for last nights game, is irrational, and it simply is.

 

The Heat scored 105 points, well above their average. The Heat shot 52%, they shot 25+ fts, they out rebounded Dallas. The only stats Miami was worse than Dallas were turnovers (Lebron and Wade had 4 a piece) and fg%.

 

Lebron is not the reason Miami lost last night. And anyone who is blaming Lebron for last night, is simply kicking him while hes down, because last night Lebron was not the problem.

 

Steve,

 

No one has yet to even respond to my argument, that Dallas won because of Dallas, not because of Lebron.

 

Simply put, the haters want to blame Lebron for a game that was lost. Some times you lose because the other side wins.

 

This all started with a post where I said:

 

 

 

Im not sure how that statement isnt true?

 

The people in this very thread are saying that they are critical of Lebron because he called himself the king or acted like a douchebag, all things that have nothing to do with the actual game that was played tonight. The argument that hes a bad person, therefore he had a bad game, doenst really fly with me. I guess I care about the game that was played, not all of the sideshow antics. Some people hate MJ because he in their mind was an arrogant prick. Should that take away from his actual game play? No.

 

Willie,

 

I cant explain why Lebron didnt get more foul calls. I thought Lebron deserved about 5-6 more fts, and Wade deserved about 4-5 less. But that was how the game was called, free throws are a pretty bad indicator of anything because you can get gift fts or you can be screwed.

 

You mention scoring role, but Lebron contributed to 37 points. 37/103 is a better than Dirk who contributed to 35 points for 35/112.

 

The fact is, Lebron contributed more to the Heat offense than Dirk did for the Dallas offense (actually Lebron contributes more to offense last night than any player outside of Wade), yet Dirk did great and Lebron did bad.

 

People are just biased against Lebron, and while I may hate what Lebron did, Im not going to completely ignore all of the statistical evidence to hate on the guy.

 

I am going to be happy if Dallas beats the Heat, I dont care how it happens.

 

Greg is infamous for not using the quote feature.

[Soxbadger]

Jenks,

 

And as of 2005, was the statement made by Lebron true or false? In High School he was the best player on his team, in Cleveland he was the best player on his team.

 

Nothing in that statement implies hes the best ever.

 

I get that people dislike his attitude, but hes got the same attitude 90% of NBA players have. Rose is the exception, not the rule.

 

As I said, people are trying to impute things on Lebron that just are unfair.

 

Over the summer I was one of the hardest people on Lebron but even to me this has gone beyond the point of sanity.

[DrunkBomber]

Lebron is a superstar, Lebron is probably going to be a hall of famer.

 

I dont care if he never scored a point in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game, there are players in the Hall of Fame who never even played in the finals.

 

All Ive said is that Lebron didnt have a bad game last night.

 

(edit)

 

Or more correctly, all I said was that people were being to hard on Lebron, because Lebron wasnt the reason Dallas won.

 

It takes away from the Mavs when people act like there was more that Miami could have done. Miami does not regularly score 110+ points, Dallas beat Miami, they won the game, it wasnt about Miami beating itself.

 

Im not sure why people have to put the Heat on such a pedestal, that it cant possibly be that Dallas is better.

[Soxbadger]

Rock,

 

Im not sure you can compare Kareem and Wade, because Wade needs the ball in his hands to iso/drive, where as Kareem was being fed by Magic. In fact if Lebron had Howard instead of Wade, we wouldnt be having this conversation because most likely your looking at team that would be far better as Lebron could dominate the possession with the ball in his hand and give it to Dwight when necessary.