Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Damn, I forgot about Williamtell. lol. He's the one Jazz fan that exists outside of Utah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) The NBA should contract any and all teams in non-major markets. The inmates have spoken and won. Hank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:31 AM) And next on the list will be Chris Paul and Dwight Howard. And when Blake Griffin is eligible he's gone. This is unbelievable. I figure we've got two years MAX to win a title with D-rose as the centerpiece before he becomes a FA or gets traded because of a beef with TT or complains about not winning. strong owners and weak union means that owners are going to get basically what they want when the CBA is redone. It's reportedly one of the reasons the Bulls don't want to add any significant payroll before tomorrow, they're hoping to get a real good player when the hard cap is instituted and a team needs to shed a salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) That was my initial thought. You dealt important draft picks and a decent young PG AND your top young "prospect" in Favors just to save face and say you landed a superstar. Let's see how Deron looks with such a s***ty supporting cast. it depends on which 1st round picks the Nets gave up and whether they are protected or not. Mid to late first round picks just don't have a ton of value in the NBA unless you are the San Antonio Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) I really think the NBA is going to have an extended lockout, it seems like there are going to be huge philosophical differences between the owners and players that aren't going to be easy to solve. The way things are going with "player collusion" and consolidation of talent are HUGE issues for the long term health of the league. What teams should be be looking out for as the next "destination" city? I assume we'll see a lot of talent try to go to the Lakers, and to replace the aging Celtics. Top talents has NO interest in playing for Minnesota, the Clippers, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, or Charlotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:55 AM) it depends on which 1st round picks the Nets gave up and whether they are protected or not. Mid to late first round picks just don't have a ton of value in the NBA unless you are the San Antonio Spurs. Plus Devin Harris sucks. He's totally regressed since his breakout '09. But like you said, I want to get details on the picks. Otherwise this is a sham of a deal for Utah. Edited February 23, 2011 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) strong owners and weak union means that owners are going to get basically what they want when the CBA is redone. It's reportedly one of the reasons the Bulls don't want to add any significant payroll before tomorrow, they're hoping to get a real good player when the hard cap is instituted and a team needs to shed a salary. Do you have a link to where I can see current cap data? I remember being told on here that the cap would probably be high enough as to not require the Heat to shed one of the "big three", but what other teams would be impacted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) strong owners and weak union means that owners are going to get basically what they want when the CBA is redone. It's reportedly one of the reasons the Bulls don't want to add any significant payroll before tomorrow, they're hoping to get a real good player when the hard cap is instituted and a team needs to shed a salary. Which is an interesting sidebar to all of this. The reality is, even if the Bulls added Melo and extended him. It would have meant that someone else would have to go in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I don't think either a potential NBA or NFL lockout would be overly extended simply because no matter how much they've been warned, I don't think a majority of players saved enough money and once checks start being missed those guys are going to put pressure to end it quickly. I know these guys make a ton of money, but if you're not an established vet that has had a few years of a big money deal, you didn't save and you continued a lifestyle either at or even above your means, you will be hurting for money real fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) Do you have a link to where I can see current cap data? I remember being told on here that the cap would probably be high enough as to not require the Heat to shed one of the "big three", but what other teams would be impacted? http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm But if there is a hard cap in the new CBA (which many think is possible), they will be royally F'd. They will still likely be able to keep the big three, but will have to have minimum-salaried players filling out their roster. So likely no first-round picks could fit, no Mike Miller, Haslems, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) Do you have a link to where I can see current cap data? I remember being told on here that the cap would probably be high enough as to not require the Heat to shed one of the "big three", but what other teams would be impacted? I actually wouldn't be shocked, or even annoyed, if they did some sort of "phase in" of a cap, ie if you have some guys on longer term deals you get a grace period. Not sure exactly what teams, WSCR was talking about the Bulls scenario of wanting flexibility. Although, for some teams you have to look at the mid level guys making 10-12m a year, those are usually the cap killers, not so much the superstars, look at Martin Gortat's deal, that thing sucks Although, this is just a pure personal speculation, if Heat flame out in the playoffs short of a championship the next 2 years, Wade and Lebron's people will get in there ear about it being Bosh and they'll get him out of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm But if there is a hard cap in the new CBA (which many think is possible), they will be royally F'd. They will still likely be able to keep the big three, but will have to have minimum-salaried players filling out their roster. So likely no first-round picks could fit, no Mike Miller, Haslems, etc. I just looked at the Lakers salary situation, WOW! If a hard cap was put in below $80m they are really screwed. Quick update (from Feb 20th): The NBA is pushing to implement a hard salary cap that could also include rollbacks on current contracts. The rollbacks would help implement a hard cap easier and faster Edited February 23, 2011 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to Marc Stein, Williams can't sign an extension with Nets until July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) I just looked at the Lakers salary situation, WOW! If a hard cap was put in below $80m they are really screwed. Quick update (from Feb 20th): The NBA is pushing to implement a hard salary cap that could also include rollbacks on current contracts. The rollbacks would help implement a hard cap easier and faster What would the rollbacks mean? NBA pays the remainder of the salary and the team cuts the player? Edited February 23, 2011 by Jenksy Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) What would the rollbacks mean? NBA pays the remainder of the salary and the team cuts the player? In the NHL it meant every player took a fixed percentage paycut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) What would the rollbacks mean? NBA pays the remainder of the salary and the team cuts the player? all contracts are modified and the player makes less money. Lebron is scheduled to make $16,022,500 next year. A rollback of 5% (for example) would decrease his salary to $15,221,375 (net loss of $801,125) Edited February 23, 2011 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) I don't think either a potential NBA or NFL lockout would be overly extended simply because no matter how much they've been warned, I don't think a majority of players saved enough money and once checks start being missed those guys are going to put pressure to end it quickly. I know these guys make a ton of money, but if you're not an established vet that has had a few years of a big money deal, you didn't save and you continued a lifestyle either at or even above your means, you will be hurting for money real fast. This is exactly what happened in the 1999 NBA Lockout...eventually the Union broke because the players hadn't saved enough money. But...that cost more than 1/2 the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:41 AM) This is exactly what happened in the 1999 NBA Lockout...eventually the Union broke because the players hadn't saved enough money. But...that cost more than 1/2 the season. If owners got a hard cap or a franchise tag type deal I'm sure they'll eat 1/2 a season again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) The way things are going with "player collusion" and consolidation of talent are HUGE issues for the long term health of the league. What teams should be be looking out for as the next "destination" city? I assume we'll see a lot of talent try to go to the Lakers, and to replace the aging Celtics. Top talents has NO interest in playing for Minnesota, the Clippers, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Detroit, or Charlotte. You can add to that list a lot, with non-destination teams. The Pacers, the Kings, the Raptors, Philadelphia to some extent, Atlanta, Charlotte, Washington, Denver, Utah, Golden State, Phoenix after Nash leaves, New Orleans, Memphis, maybe Houston. The real thing to realize is that there are enough small-market, nearly-money-losing NBA teams that have no shot at competing for a Lebron or an Anthony in FA that they can constitute a voting majority at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) If owners got a hard cap or a franchise tag type deal I'm sure they'll eat 1/2 a season again I wouldn't be surprised if this one took the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Anyone have any thoughts on Courtney Lee? Reports are that the Bulls are interested. I actually like him better than Mayo. Mayo has more upside, but I think Lee fits better for what the Bulls are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 23, 2011 -> 11:44 AM) Anyone have any thoughts on Courtney Lee? Reports are that the Bulls are interested. I actually like him better than Mayo. Mayo has more upside, but I think Lee fits better for what the Bulls are looking for. I think Lee would be a better fit as a teammate and a person too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 bummer i was hoping to hear news on us acquiring Lee, Jackson, or Mayo when i signed on...if a trade goes down today will the player we got be eligible to play against the heat tomorrow? Not that were gonna really need him or anything but itd be nice to add a piece and beat the top rated heat in his first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Lee is a bad defender, Mayo's a bad defender, Parker's not a good defender either. All these guys have Dratings around 110. Bogans is actually one of the better defensive 2 guards in the league, according to Drating. Mayo's had a very bad year offensively. PER likes Lee the most out of this group this year, but Mayo's definitely the high up-side guy who the Bulls should aim for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Update! According to Yahoo! Sports: “The Chicago Bulls are still pursuing shooting guard Courtney Lee, offering a first-round draft pick to the Houston Rockets, sources said. Chicago could make the offer more intriguing with the addition of the Miami Heat’s 2011 first-round pick that the Bulls acquired from Toronto for forward James Johnson on Tuesday. For now, the Rockets are determined to bring back size and want Bulls center Omer Asik in any package for Lee.” I love Omer but we've got Taj and Thomas(whos shown he can be serviceable) who can be our back ups this year and then 1 or 2 first round picks(depending on whether houston would do just asik for lee) in the draft where you can replace Omer/Thomas. I know the bulls really like Omer and for good reason but hes behind Booz, Noah, and Taj, Lee would be behind no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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