Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski As you'd expect, Celtics vets are livid over trade of Kendrick Perkins, sources say. He's the tough guy, enforcer. But BOS can't pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) If this were MLB or NFL I'd agree. Not the NBA. I said 50/50. Before the Anthony trade, we were unquestionably better. Now? It's a toss-up. That makes no sense. You are just counting 2 players vs 1 as the measuring stick without taking into account the rest of the team and also the style of play of the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Town Sox Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski As you'd expect, Celtics vets are livid over trade of Kendrick Perkins, sources say. He's the tough guy, enforcer. But BOS can't pay him. Jeff Green can be Paul Pierce lite but all of the vets on that team are one year older next year. I think this was their last definitive shot at getting another ring This year = stupid trade Future = good trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) Talk about a completely unprovable and most likely wrong statement. From all reports, teams wanted ASIK. But hey you probably would have said that Minnesota was crazy for trading Mayo for Love. After all Mayo was a superstar in the making, Love was just a solid big man. Just about everyone thought Minnesota was crazy for making that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:44 PM) Oof. I could not disagree more with this statement. We couldn't beat them without Anthony. I don't like our chances when he's there. I certainly do hope they're not our first round matchup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:17 PM) I actually wonder how much you have watched Mayo play. Because you seem to think that because he was the 3rd pick overall, that actually means something. Even during his college career there were major concerns about him. He shot to much, didnt play team basketball, to many turnovers. I agree. Mayo averages fewer assists/minute than Bogans. He shoots the 3 around 36% which is not great. Lots of advanced stats say his defense blows. And, forgetting stats, you're talking about a guy who in his 3rd season lost his starting spot on the Grizz to Tony Allen. Why did that happen? There's a good chance that he's the second coming of Larry Hughes. Plus, Mayo is on the edge of needing to be extended and you know he'll want more money than his performance has dictated. He's better than Bogans and I would have fine the Bulls taking a shot with him, but I don't think Mayo gets them to the Finals this season. If the Bulls have plans to make Asik a rotation player, then I think it's not ridiculous to refuse paying Asik and a first for Mayo. Here's an exercise: where would Asik be drafted if he was in the 2011 draft? Cole Aldridge was taken 11th last year...Asik would go pretty high. Maybe Mayo will end up being an all-star, but this isn't like passing on Pau Gasol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:51 PM) That makes no sense. You are just counting 2 players vs 1 as the measuring stick without taking into account the rest of the team and also the style of play of the players. I don't get what makes no sense. I didn't say the Knicks were for sure a better team. Before the Melo trade happened, the Knicks were not even on my radar. Now they've added a top 10 player in the game. Not to mention Billups. That changes things drastically. Do I think the Knicks can beat the Heat or Celtics? No. Do I think they can beat the Bulls? Yes. Edited February 24, 2011 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:58 PM) Jeff Green can be Paul Pierce lite but all of the vets on that team are one year older next year. I think this was their last definitive shot at getting another ring This year = stupid trade Future = good trade Jeff Green isn't NEARLY as good as Pierce. He's a horribly inefficient scorer that's kind of a 'tweener. He's a lot closer to Luol Deng, and could be similarly overpaid soon considering he's a restricted FA at the end of the season. I really think Boston will regret trading Perkins, he really helps their defense and rebounding. Green just gives them another jump-shooter, and an inferior one to their current starters at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) We couldn't beat them without Anthony. I don't like our chances when he's there. I certainly do hope they're not our first round matchup. Felton, Chandler, and Gallo all hurt the Bulls in those games and now they're gone. I don't know if the Knicks are that much better this season. After they get Chris Paul or Howard in 2012 they'll be a championship caliber team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) Jeff Green isn't NEARLY as good as Pierce. He's a horribly inefficient scorer that's kind of a 'tweener. He's a lot closer to Luol Deng, and could be similarly overpaid soon considering he's a restricted FA at the end of the season. I really think Boston will regret trading Perkins, he really helps their defense and rebounding. Green just gives them another jump-shooter, and an inferior one to their current starters at that. Yeah, after watching the Celtics the last few years...that move is just bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:09 PM) Felton, Chandler, and Gallo all hurt the Bulls in those games and now they're gone. I don't know if the Knicks are that much better this season. After they get Chris Paul or Howard in 2012 they'll be a championship caliber team. Assuming the upcoming changes to the CBA do not nix this possibility and leave the knicks with 2 superstars and a whole bunch of bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) What do we think it would take for this Bulls team to win it all this year? Are the Celtics and the Heat really that far ahead of them? At this point, I'm unconvinced of that. For my money, you needed to get someone like Melo, without giving up other key parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) My point is that Asik and Taj are roleplayers. Yes, roleplayers mean something and you need them to win. But they're worth the risk in acquiring a potential star. The Bulls are not going to beat Miami or Boston. And NY would be a 50/50 bet at this point since they have two superstars vs our one. You've got to get creative and think outside the box. I think you are way over-valuing Mayo. He is a headcase. His numbers have actually gone down as his career has moved on, instead of getting better. Even a team that needs young studs like Memphis dealt for for Josh McRoberts and a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I'm alright with the Bulls staying pat. We ARE a championship contender at the moment, Boston and Miami are still the favorites in the east imo but we're right there with them and the Perkins trade boggles my freakin mind. Orlando is a distant 4th and NY isn't even in the picture. If I had to make a bet at the moment, I'd say we'll be playing Miami in the ECF and losing to them in 6 or 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:14 PM) Assuming the upcoming changes to the CBA do not nix this possibility and leave the knicks with 2 superstars and a whole bunch of bench Which is exactly why I wasn't too upset we didn't bid highly in the Melo sweepstakes. Yeah it means we don't have the shot at the brass ring this year, but this team will be around for a while, and will be in a good spot to add on later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:22 PM) I think you are way over-valuing Mayo. He is a headcase. His numbers have actually gone down as his career has moved on, instead of getting better. Even a team that needs young studs like Memphis dealt for for Josh McRoberts and a pick. Deal fell through. Just an FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Deal fell through. Just an FYI. Damn, I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Gerald Wallace is a sweet pickup for Portland. Wonder if the Bulls thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:26 PM) Gerald Wallace is a sweet pickup for Portland. Wonder if the Bulls thought of that. What's the point? They'd have no where to play him. That's unless you want Deng at the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I am stunned the Bulls stood pat. If they were willing to ride or die (and they will die, early in the playoffs) with Keith Bogans at two guard because they didn't want to trade Omer Asik, then shame on them even more. I just don't see any way a team as weak at the 2 and 3 as the Bulls can do much in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) I am stunned the Bulls stood pat. If they were willing to ride or die (and they will die, early in the playoffs) with Keith Bogans at two guard because they didn't want to trade Omer Asik, then shame on them even more. I just don't see any way a team as weak at the 2 and 3 as the Bulls can do much in the playoffs. I don't get this logic. He's a good defender, and the way the team is they don't need him to score any more than he's already contributing. Between Bogans, Brewer and Korver they need good defense and 10-12 points a game. If they're expecting more then they aren't a true contender anyway. I think this was an excellent non-move. Give Asik a year or two to develop and he's going to be good trade bait or be a good backup. Plus, in the east this year the frontcourt is going to determine who gets to the Finals, not who has the best 2 guard. Which is why it's puzzling that Boston gave up one of their best bigs for a tweener forward. Edited February 24, 2011 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:45 PM) I am stunned the Bulls stood pat. If they were willing to ride or die (and they will die, early in the playoffs) with Keith Bogans at two guard because they didn't want to trade Omer Asik, then shame on them even more. I just don't see any way a team as weak at the 2 and 3 as the Bulls can do much in the playoffs. Oh ya, the Bulls are so damn weak at the 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) I don't get this logic. He's a good defender, and the way the team is they don't need him to score any more than he's already contributing. Between Bogans, Brewer and Korver they need good defense and 10-12 points a game. If they're expecting more then they aren't a true contender anyway. I think this was an excellent non-move. Give Asik a year or two to develop and he's going to be good trade bait or be a good backup. Plus, in the east this year the frontcourt is going to determine who gets to the Finals, not who has the best 2 guard. Which is why it's puzzling that Boston gave up one of their best bigs for a tweener forward. That is pretty much how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 If the Bulls win, it's going to be because of their defense, not because their SG position can contribute 7-8 more points per game. They were wise to keep Asik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Didn't think you guys would be that interested in trade talk. Mayo would benefit the Bulls more than Asik or Gibson would. At the same time, I can see why the Bulls didn't do it. They want big man depth because that's how you beat the Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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