Steve9347 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 15, 2011 -> 11:09 PM) So if the Wolves called Forman up and said Love for Noah, what do you do? Anybody that's says they'd keep Noah is a bold-faced liar. You're f*cked in the head and once again I thank the Lord you are not in charge. Kevin Love plays zero defense. Noah is a much better fit for this roster and I would hang the phone up immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Let me put it this way...would you agree or disagree with this statement. Kevin Love's record would be more impressive if he'd done it on a team that went 40-13 than one that went 13-40. Well yeah. Anything is more impressive when you're winning. But we're not talking about a 5 year old record that was broken. This was a 35 year old record. It's impressive anyway you slice it. It should be appreciated and not scrutinized. And the sad thing is if Love bolts for a better team when he's eligible everybody will say he's a b**** and a coward for not sticking with his original team. It's a no-win situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) You're f*cked in the head and once again I thank the Lord you are not in charge. Kevin Love plays zero defense. Noah is a much better fit for this roster and I would hang the phone up immediately. Neither does Boozer. Neither did Rose or Deng before this year. Paul Pierce and Ray Allen played no D before '08. It's been proven, at least under TT, that in the proper system you can thrive defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) Kevin Love is a very good and original player on a very bad team. The funniest part about his game is he's such a monster on the boards but also has the range to drain a 3 pointer. He's very entertaining to watch simply because he's different. That being said, as I pointed out a couple of months ago, he's not a difference maker persay. He puts up stats, but he's not single-handedly going out there and winning you ballgames... ever. I think he's a great secondary piece on a playoff team and an elite tertiary piece on a championship ballclub. Edited March 16, 2011 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) Well yeah. Anything is more impressive when you're winning. But we're not talking about a 5 year old record that was broken. This was a 35 year old record. It's impressive anyway you slice it. It should be appreciated and not scrutinized. And the sad thing is if Love bolts for a better team when he's eligible everybody will say he's a b**** and a coward for not sticking with his original team. It's a no-win situation. For the record, Love didn't set a record and wasn't even close. No one is ever going to break Wilt's 227 game streak. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) (...) but he's not single-handedly going out there and winning you ballgames... ever. This post was better and much more accurate before your edit. Now you just sound stupid again, as he's done exactly that multiple times this season. Edited March 16, 2011 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) Now you just sound stupid again, as he's done exactly that multiple times this season. KEVIN. LOVE. This is what is thought everytime that's posted when the dude puts up 17 points and 10 boards in a 20 point loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) This is what is thought everytime that's posted when the dude puts up 17 points and 10 boards in a 20 point loss. That was never posted by me after a pedestrian 17 point, 10 board game. There's nothing special about those performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) For the record, Love didn't set a record and wasn't even close. No one is ever going to break Wilt's 227 game streak. Yeah, that's what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:36 PM) I don't think that matters in this case. Love has done his part and then some. That's a bad cast of characters around him. I don't see why his individual dominance is compromised because of that. Love has been one of the most statistically, standard and advanced, dominant players in the league. Why pigeonhole everything he does because his team sucks? Because he wouldn't be doing it if he was on a better team. He wouldn't be as individually dominant or as statistically dominant if he was on just about any other team in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) And I'd give this theory more merit if his usage rate was through the roof. If he were getting ridiculously inflated numbers because of the team he's on, then it would make sense that he'd be getting used a lot and having a lot of opportunities. Instead, he ranks 64th in the league in USG (22.69), way behind teammate Michael Beasley (28.08). In fact, if you consider this it makes his accomplishments even more impressive. He doesn't get plays drawn up for him. He'll get an occasional entry pass into the post and a mid-range hook, and sometimes he'll run a pick and roll or pick and pop with whoever the PG is at the time, but that's far from a regular occurrence. Love gets his points because he picks his spots and takes advantage of the opportunities he gets. He gets to the free throw line at a very high rate and converts them efficiently. These aren't things that would change if he were on a better team. Even if you ignore all of that and think that he's only getting stats because his team sucks, where do you think his numbers would be instead? 18 and 13? For one of the league's most efficient offensive players, that's still pretty goddamn good. Basically, if it were Michael Beasley putting up 28 and 10, I'd buy this argument and agree wholeheartedly. But Kevin Love? Watch him play, he's far from dominating the ball. Do you really think if he doesn't put up his streak, that he would be getting the slobber that he has gotten? Remember all it would have taken was one game somewhere that a teammate got hot from either the field or on the boards to deny him one of the stats needed to get that streak. That becomes way more likely with good players on your team. For example on a night where he has 11 boards, if a Joakim Noah takes two boards from him, the streak doesn't exist. The reason he is able to make this streak happen is precisely because Beasley isn't averaging 28 and 10. He sucks, and that helps out Love's numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:18 PM) Because he wouldn't be doing it if he was on a better team. He wouldn't be as individually dominant or as statistically dominant if he was on just about any other team in the NBA. Are you intentionally or accidentally ignoring the point where he doesn't get plays from him? I mean, he's getting used less than Carlos Boozer, and he's got one of the league's best point guards next to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) For the record, Love didn't set a record and wasn't even close. No one is ever going to break Wilt's 227 game streak. That was the other part of "The Streak" that bothered me. ESPN essentially took an arbitrary date in time, and used that as the basis point to make this a headline story. By picking a date in the 70's they made this look as good as possible, instead of showing it at its true point in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:22 PM) Are you intentionally or accidentally ignoring the point where he doesn't get plays from him? I mean, he's getting used less than Carlos Boozer, and he's got one of the league's best point guards next to him. A streak only takes one bad game to end. Having someone steal as little as one rebound could have ended it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) That was the other part of "The Streak" that bothered me. ESPN essentially took an arbitrary date in time, and used that as the basis point to make this a headline story. By picking a date in the 70's they made this look as good as possible, instead of showing it at its true point in history. Fully agreed. The merger is a natural point to pick, but the way it was reported by a number of outlets really misled a lot of people about it. Steve Aschburner just wrote a good article on that topic, in fact: http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/stev...ls=iref:nbahpt1 Edited March 16, 2011 by Felix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) A streak only takes one bad game to end. Having someone steal as little as one rebound could have ended it. I can understand this logic to an extent, but it's not like he was squeaking by a lot of these games. He averaged 22 and 16 during the 53 games. Sure, there were some games that he barely got to double figures, but for the most part he was blowing past it with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...r?urn=nba-wp184 Sterling is a real asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...r?urn=nba-wp184 Sterling is a real asshole. On the same note, but from a couple of months ago: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...?urn=nba-304544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Wow. That is a special quality of individual right there. I guess that means we can start the Blake Griffin Free Agency watch on the bright side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Hollinger (yes, I agree he is an idiot) now has the Bulls as the favorite to win the NBA title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 07:36 PM) Hollinger (yes, I agree he is an idiot) now has the Bulls as the favorite to win the NBA title. In other news, on NBA pregame it appeared that Jalen Rose would rather start a franchise with Monta Ellis than Derrick Rose. Jalen Rose is not having a good week even by his standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (PeavyTime @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 07:36 PM) Hollinger (yes, I agree he is an idiot) now has the Bulls as the favorite to win the NBA title. That is only his stat-based prediction though, not necessarily his personal opinion (I think you are getting this from his standings, right?). Still cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont...r?urn=nba-wp184 Sterling is a real asshole. Wasn't Dave Geffen gonna buy the team a few years back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Oklahoma really collapsed going into the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeavyTime Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Wade with an awesome dunk, then he proves that he is a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Nelson fouls Jennings on a 3PT attempt with the Bucks down by 3 with 4 secs left, and he makes all 3 FT's. Just horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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