ZoomSlowik Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 10:26 PM) LOL Don't you still like oj mayo over Rose?? And zoom wanted beasley over Rose And j4l is almost always overreactingly wrong Not that big of a deal. Everyone's gonna have a wrong opinion every now and then... Unfortunately, this is true. Beasley just looked like such a beast in college, but he's taking too many long 2-point jumpers in the NBA and stopped attacking the glass and rebounding. Derrick developed SOOOO much faster than I thought after watching him in college and summer league games (yes, I am occasionally nerdy enough to watch summer league games). Then he took over in a pre-season game against Dallas and never looked back. It's been pretty awesome to see him do this well so early in his career. I am definitely wrong at times, sometimes epically so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 See, to me, watching a "handful" of games isn't sufficient enough and squarely puts you in the "stats no watch" group. How anyone could consider themselves a Bulls fan and not take in as much D-Rose as possible (especially given your amount of free time) just offends me. Then chimijg in with stats to say my eyes lie just takes the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 09:55 PM) Rose's improvement in threes has been a big focus but Deng's actually improved there more. So much of Deng's improvement has been "Staying on the court" and "Being put in the right defensive scheme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 9, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) So much of Deng's improvement has been "Staying on the court" and "Being put in the right defensive scheme". and not just getting the ball and immediately running to the hoop with your head down and trying to make a shot inbetween 4 people. He only does that once a game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 (edited) Rose went on a three point rampage a couple weeks ago when both Boozer and Noah were out. I think over a 6 game stretch he was taking 8 3s a game and only making 25% of them. But I also read an article a few weeks back, noting that much of Derrick's underwhelming 3 point% is due to the fact that he have to take so many 3s late in the shot clock, and hoist up long distance 3 pointers at the end of the quarter. 25 of them to be exact. Take those off and his percentage is at a more respectable 35-36%. If you watch games, he actually demands the ball with little time left in the quarter, he doesn't mind sacrificing his stats for the team. You can't say that about every superstar. Also, I noticed that his three point shot has gotten a little flatter compared to earlier in the season. This could be an effect of tired legs from intense summer practice and the FIBA tournament. If he continues gets a nice rest over the summer, and keep practicing on the shot, I have no problem with him taking 4 3 pointers a game. Edited April 9, 2011 by thxfrthmmrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 9, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) See, to me, watching a "handful" of games isn't sufficient enough and squarely puts you in the "stats no watch" group. How anyone could consider themselves a Bulls fan and not take in as much D-Rose as possible (especially given your amount of free time) just offends me. Then chimijg in with stats to say my eyes lie just takes the cake. I'll drop the whole questioning of fandom (and I've never claimed to be a die-hard Bulls' fan anyways) and how many games you have to watch to have your opinion matter points because that's not going to go anywhere constructive. However, the "stats lying to you" part is another story. How exactly are they lying? Does he not take 4.8 threes a game? Does he not miss two thirds of them? Exactly what part of that is incorrect? Your main point seemed to be that it helped the rest of his game because "people had to respect his shot". That may be somewhat true, and there's no question that having a solid jumper gives him a more rounded offensive game. Again, I never said he should stop shooting 3's all together at any point as you claimed twice. However, he wasn't exactly struggling to get to the basket last year when he took less than a 3-pointer a game. After a slow start to last year due to injury, he averaged 22 PPG after November while shooting a much better percentage than he is this season. It's not like taking 5 threes a game is the reason he gets to the basket, he gets to the basket because he's really f***ing athletic. He was able to attack the rim consistently and effectively long before he could hit the three (he could already hit mid-range jumpers pretty well last year). It certainly doesn't hurt that he can make an open 3 now. However, it's still a poor choice of shot for him. He doesn't have to take 5 threes a game to be able to get to the rim as he proved last year. He's at his best when he's attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line (something he's done WAY more effectively this season and a far more impactful improvement IMO). Much like with guys like Lebron, Wade and Westbrook, you'd much rather have them shooting jumpers than killing you with penetration. This isn't really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things given what the Bulls are doing. You live with it it given everything else he does for team. However, you decided to turn it into one by taking multiple shots at me on the board for some reason. Edited April 10, 2011 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 8, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) Yet he's going to be the NBA MVP and has his team on the cusp of the 1 seed in the Eastern Conference. At some point you just have to accept the game you are watching and have faith in the man. Not saying I don't have faith, but he can still improve his game even more. Believe me, I want Rose to win MVP and I think he deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Apr 9, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) I'll drop the whole questioning of fandom (and I've never claimed to be a die-hard Bulls' fan anyways) and how many games you have to watch to have your opinion matter points because that's not going to go anywhere constructive. However, the "stats lying to you" part is another story. How exactly are they lying? Does he not take 4.8 threes a game? Does he not miss two thirds of them? Exactly what part of that is incorrect? Your main point seemed to be that it helped the rest of his game because "people had to respect his shot". That may be somewhat true, and there's no question that having a solid jumper gives him a more rounded offensive game. Again, I never said he should stop shooting 3's all together at any point as you claimed twice. However, he wasn't exactly struggling to get to the basket last year when he took less than a 3-pointer a game. After a slow start to last year due to injury, he averaged 22 PPG after November while shooting a much better percentage than he is this season. It's not like taking 5 threes a game is the reason he gets to the basket, he gets to the basket because he's really f***ing athletic. He was able to attack the rim consistently and effectively long before he could hit the three (he could already hit mid-range jumpers pretty well last year). It certainly doesn't hurt that he can make an open 3 now. However, it's still a poor choice of shot for him. He doesn't have to take 5 threes a game to be able to get to the rim as he proved last year. He's at his best when he's attacking the rim and getting to the free throw line (something he's done WAY more effectively this season and a far more impactful improvement IMO). Much like with guys like Lebron, Wade and Westbrook, you'd much rather have them shooting jumpers than killing you with penetration. This isn't really that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things given what the Bulls are doing. You live with it it given everything else he does for team. However, you decided to turn it into one by taking multiple shots at me on the board for some reason. Isn't making 33 percent of your 3s the equivalent to making 50 percent inside the arc? I really don't see the problem. Taking an occassional 3 instead of attacking the rim is going to help him physically over the course of a season, and does get the defender a little closer to him to blow by when he chooses, of course he's not going to go to the line and score with no attempt being charged, but you're really nitpicking. Edited April 10, 2011 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 9, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) Isn't making 33 percent of your 3s the equivalent to making 50 percent inside the arc? I really don't see the problem. Taking an occassional 3 instead of attacking the rim is going to help him physically over the course of a season, and does get the defender a little closer to him to blow by when he chooses, of course he's not going to go to the line and score with no attempt being charged, but you're really nitpicking. A couple of things: -Rose is shooting 58% inside of 3 feet this year, and 53.4% when you include everything inside of 9 feet, so his conversion rates still favor the shot in the basket area. -As you already said, he draws free throws when he goes to the basket which he doesn't (at least not frequently) when shooting jumpers. He gets 5.8 PPG at the free throw line, which tilts things fairly heavily towards the drive. -He's also a lot more likely to create good shots for his teammates if he's driving than if he's shooting long jumpers. Besides, as I've said a few times, occasional threes aren't an issue. 4.8 threes a game isn't really occasional though. That's like a quarter of his shot attempts, atempts where he's not getting to the line or drawing multiple defenders to open up shots for his teammates. However, I agree, it's not the end of the world given his total contributions to the team. Steve is the one that has turned this into a huge deal because I suggested that maybe a passable at best three point shooter shouldn't take so many threes in a random comment on AIM. Edited April 10, 2011 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Wouldn't have guessed this until I saw it. The Lakers are 1 game up on the Mavs and 2 games up on the Thunder, and the Thunder and Lakers play tonight. If the Thunder win this game, the 2-4 seeds in the West suddenly become very, very, very messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Rose will soon be a top three player in the NBA...kid is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) Rose will soon be a top three player in the NBA...kid is amazing. He's not there already? I don't know who you rank clearly ahead of him. Maybe James, maybe Howard, maybe Bryant, depends a bit on your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Clutch, clutch rebound by Deng. This team just keeps figuring out ways to close out games with a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Holy **** what a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fathom Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I love Rose's answer about how he knew it wouldn't count "I've been playing basketball all my life, and I know with 2 seconds left, you couldn't dribble as much as he did". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) He's not there already? I don't know who you rank clearly ahead of him. Maybe James, maybe Howard, maybe Bryant, depends a bit on your team. ding ding ding I'd also put D Wade ahead but that one is really close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 As bad as the Celtics have been of late, I expect them to beat the Heat today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I'm gonna get me the NBA.tv playoffs package to watch every Bulls game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wedge Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 01:27 PM) He's not there already? I don't know who you rank clearly ahead of him. Maybe James, maybe Howard, maybe Bryant, depends a bit on your team. Tough to make a case for James and/or Wade considering the relative station of the Heat and the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 James is the only player clearly ahead of Rose at this point. You can certainly make a case for some others but he's right there in the conversation for 2nd best player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) I'm gonna get me the NBA.tv playoffs package to watch every Bulls game You know all of these games will be on national TV right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Apr 10, 2011 -> 09:53 PM) You know all of these games will be on national TV right? He lives in Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Losing by 3 without Dwight is a pretty decent effort from us. Still the Bulls had 21 TO's so I'd be surprised if that happens again. Hedo and Arenas also need to shoot much better from the floor. Ryan Anderson is a wildcard though, if he can shoot as well he did today. Stretches out the Bulls interior D quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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