2010-2011 NBA Thread

[Felix]

Are people really getting all up in arms over a worthless 2 on 2 debate? I'm sure if LeBron/Wade played prime Jordan/Pippen that they'd win plenty of times. Just as Jordan/Pippen would win plenty of times. Nothing to get excited about here.

I bet "Derek Rose" would beat both of those duos alone.

[Jordan4life_2007]

It's even in a column picking the Bulls over the Heat.

 

I think the Heat's lack of depth is overblown. You're not going to be 9-10 deep when you're rostering LeBron, Wade and Bosh. If we had signed Bosh and LeBron last year, we don't have Korver, Brewer, Wastson, Deng, etc. The only player outside of the big three for the Heat that I can say offers absolutely nothing with confidence is Juwan Howard. He's just a waste of a roster spot. All of their 'scrubs' bring something to the table. James Jones and Eddie House are their snipers. Chalmers can defend and hit the occasional three when left open (which is often). Bibby is shooting nearly 46% from three and is more than capable of hitting clutch shots. Z is a big body that can defend/rebound (relative to keeping his minutes in check) and can hit the 15-17 foot J. Dampier is another big body that can defend/rebound in spurts. Joel Anthony is long, athletic and has been playing pretty good defense of late. Mike Miller's wrist has clearly been bothering him all year. There's just no way he got this bad over the offseason. And then Haslem is basically a wildcard for them. I think if the Bulls go into this series thinking it's 12 vs 3 they're going to get burned. But I'm 100% certain TT is in no ways dismissing the Heat's 'scrubs.'

Edited May 14, 2011 by Jordan4life

[Soxbadger]

Its better than arguing about the Heat Bulls series.

 

And Felix, sometimes you make good arguments but when you purposefully try and incite people its easy to forget them.

[StrangeSox]

I bet "Derek Rose" would beat both of those duos alone.

 

This is who I meant, anyway!

 

 

That's what I get for typing emails (to someone named derek) while watching the game.

Edited May 14, 2011 by StrangeSox

[Quin]

I bet "Derek Rose" would beat both of those duos alone.

 

Nah.

 

Kevin Love and Derrick Rose though?

 

Blowouts over those duos.

[iamshack]

Are people really getting all up in arms over a worthless 2 on 2 debate? I'm sure if LeBron/Wade played prime Jordan/Pippen that they'd win plenty of times. Just as Jordan/Pippen would win plenty of times. Nothing to get excited about here.

Pippen would stick LeBron pretty well. Pippen was one of the better defensive non-centers of all-time.

 

I think Jordan being the best player on the court, and both Bulls players being better defenders than either of those two (although I realize LeBron is a very good defender) would allow MJ and Pipp to win most of the time. LeBron would slow down MJ a bit because of his size, but no one was stopping MJ in his prime.

 

Would make for some awesome 2 on 2 games though.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

Pippen would stick LeBron pretty well. Pippen was one of the better defensive non-centers of all-time.

 

I think Jordan being the best player on the court, and both Bulls players being better defenders than either of those two (although I realize LeBron is a very good defender) would allow MJ and Pipp to win most of the time. LeBron would slow down MJ a bit because of his size, but no one was stopping MJ in his prime.

 

Would make for some awesome 2 on 2 games though.

 

2 on 2 playground hoops is totally different from organized 5 on 5. To suggest that LeBron and Wade could take Jordan and Pippen is not saying that they're the better duo overall. If they played each other 100 times, is it so appalling to think they'd split? Maybe 55-45 in favor of MJ/Pip?

[Quin]

2 on 2 playground hoops is totally different from organized 5 on 5. To suggest that LeBron and Wade could take Jordan and Pippen is not saying that they're the better duo overall. If they played each other 100 times, is it so appalling to think they'd split? Maybe 55-45 in favor of MJ/Pip?

 

I'll go simulate it 100 times on NBA 2k11

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'll go simulate it 100 times on NBA 2k11

 

Burn the game if LeBron/Wade win even once.

[chw42]

I have never seen this Bulls team fail me over any extended periods of time this year. I don't expect them to stop now.

 

My mind does say the Heat are better and more talented, but they were also in that position the 3 times the Bulls beat them this regular season.

 

Bulls in 7.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I have never seen this Bulls team fail me over any extended periods of time this year. I don't expect them to stop now.

 

My mind does say the Heat are better and more talented, but they were also in that position the 3 times the Bulls beat them this regular season.

 

Bulls in 7.

 

I have no problem with your prediction. But as far as the regular season goes, LeBron missed the first game. Bosh's 1/18 was a total aberration in the second game. And the last game in March could've gone either way, as Deng won it with two FTs off a questionable foul off a FT miss. The Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat in the regular season. That should pretty much eliminate regular season records.

[Balta1701]

I have no problem with your prediction. But as far as the regular season goes, LeBron missed the first game. Bosh's 1/18 was a total aberration in the second game. And the last game in March could've gone either way, as Deng won it with two FTs off a questionable foul off a FT miss. The Celtics were 3-1 against the Heat in the regular season. That should pretty much eliminate regular season records.

It's entirely possible that this Bulls team is a better team than the Heat saw in the regular season as well.

[Jordan4life_2007]

It's entirely possible that this Bulls team is a better team than the Heat saw in the regular season as well.

 

No argument from me. I've thrown the regular season out the window. Everything starts Sunday for me.

[Soxbadger]

The only thing that matters about the regular season is that because the Bulls have beat the Heat already, they know they have a chance and all they have to do is win at home. You win in the regular season so that when you get to a series like this, you have the home team hopefully putting the refs in your favor to win those close games.

 

The Bulls biggest advantage is that you hope with home court you get off to a 1-0 start and the pressure starts to fall on the other team.

 

[southsider2k5]

Pippen would stick LeBron pretty well. Pippen was one of the better defensive non-centers of all-time.

 

I think Jordan being the best player on the court, and both Bulls players being better defenders than either of those two (although I realize LeBron is a very good defender) would allow MJ and Pipp to win most of the time. LeBron would slow down MJ a bit because of his size, but no one was stopping MJ in his prime.

 

Would make for some awesome 2 on 2 games though.

 

Depending on whose defensive rules they used, it would either be an asswhipping for MJ and Pip, or a complete wipeout if they used today's rules.

[iamshack]

2 on 2 playground hoops is totally different from organized 5 on 5. To suggest that LeBron and Wade could take Jordan and Pippen is not saying that they're the better duo overall. If they played each other 100 times, is it so appalling to think they'd split? Maybe 55-45 in favor of MJ/Pip?

I'm not really sure what you're saying here, but no, I do not think they would split.

 

Now if you want to put Shaq in his prime with LeBron, yeah MJ and Pippen would have some major problems. But I just think Pippen and MJ would shut down LeBron and Wade far more than the other way around.

 

I'd say Jordan and Pippen win about 75% of the time.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'm not really sure what you're saying here, but no, I do not think they would split.

 

Now if you want to put Shaq in his prime with LeBron, yeah MJ and Pippen would have some major problems. But I just think Pippen and MJ would shut down LeBron and Wade far more than the other way around.

 

I'd say Jordan and Pippen win about 75% of the time.

 

Let me ask you this: Dwight Howard vs prime Tim Duncan 1 on 1 in a random gym?

[iamshack]

Let me ask you this: Dwight Howard vs prime Tim Duncan 1 on 1 in a random gym?

I have no idea. Howard would own Duncan on the inside, but Duncan would score with his lame arsenal of weird big man shots from away from the rim.

[Balta1701]

I have no idea. Howard would own Duncan on the inside, but Duncan would score with his lame arsenal of weird big man shots from away from the rim.

I think Duncan Prime would really get on Howard's nerves when Duncan was playing defense, since Howard doesn't have the moves/tactics to match the athletic ability.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I have no idea. Howard would own Duncan on the inside, but Duncan would score with his lame arsenal of weird big man shots from away from the rim.

 

This could be just me, but I think Howard destroys Duncan in a 1 on 1. The athleticism and strength would be too much. Does that mean Howard is a better player overall? Hell no. People are looking at this as Jordan/Pippen won 6 rings, how could LeBron Wade compete? It's not about that in playground 2 on 2. Scottie is probably the best SF defender ever. But he's never seen ANYTHING like LeBron. Dude is like 260 with the athleticism of young Jordan. The best SG MJ saw during his era was prime Clyde Drexler. Wade is better, IMO. It'd be a hell of a matchup.

[iamshack]

This could be just me, but I think Howard destroys Duncan in a 1 on 1. The athleticism and strength would be too much. Does that mean Howard is a better player overall? Hell no. People are looking at this as Jordan/Pippen won 6 rings, how could LeBron Wade compete? It's not about that in playground 2 on 2. Scottie is probably the best SF defender ever. But he's never seen ANYTHING like LeBron. Dude is like 260 with the athleticism of young Jordan. The best SG MJ saw during his era was prime Clyde Drexler. Wade is better, IMO. It'd be a hell of a matchup.

Dude, you don't think Scottie guarded MJ in practice all the time? Scottie defended the best player ever in his prime, in 1 on 1 games. You're crazy if you think he hasn't seen ANYTHING like LeBron.

 

I just think Scottie would frustrate LeBron enough, MJ would battle Wade pretty well, and then LeBron would have to turn around and play defense on MJ. Meanwhile Jordan would let Pippen post Wade when MJ wanted to catch his breath.

 

I have no idea about your Howard/Duncan scenario, but I have seen enough 1-1 and 2-2 to know that the guy with the goofy arsenal of 10-15 footers that he hits consistently usually annoys the hell out of the stronger physical player.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Dude, you don't think Scottie guarded MJ in practice all the time? Scottie defended the best player ever in his prime, in 1 on 1 games. You're crazy if you think he hasn't seen ANYTHING like LeBron.

 

I just think Scottie would frustrate LeBron enough, MJ would battle Wade pretty well, and then LeBron would have to turn around and play defense on MJ. Meanwhile Jordan would let Pippen post Wade when MJ wanted to catch his breath.

 

I have no idea about your Howard/Duncan scenario, but I have seen enough 1-1 and 2-2 to know that the guy with the goofy arsenal of 10-15 footers that he hits consistently usually annoys the hell out of the stronger physical player.

 

Well until your produce some video of Pippen shutting down Jordan in practice your point is invalid. There is a video of MJ and Pip going at it in a charity game hosted by Pippen in '94. And MJ raped him.

[iamshack]

Well until your produce some video of Pippen shutting down Jordan in practice your point is invalid. There is a video of MJ and Pip going at it in a charity game hosted by Pippen in '94. And MJ raped him.

Hah! Ok. My point is invalid while I go in search of the lost practice videos.

 

And a charity game? Who plays hard in a charity game?

 

I'm not saying MJ couldn't school Pippen either. Jordan was the best player to ever play the game IMO.

 

[iamshack]

Link

 

“He was very competitive, so he went at me and that helped me learn,” said Pippen. “You continue to compete against the very best every day, and you will get better, or you’ll be embarrassed.”

 

“A lot of my instincts came from guarding Michael all the time in practice,” he added. “I had four other guys on my team, but I had schemes that I would throw out there depending on what he did. I’d say, ‘If I make Michael do this, then you go trap him.’ There were things I tried to do on defense to trigger him into a mistake. He was a great player, and if you couldn’t try it on him in practice, there was nowhere else to try it.”

 

It's pretty clear that Scottie cut his teeth versus the best of all time in his prime. I think he could handle LeBron.

 

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

Hah! Ok. My point is invalid while I go in search of the lost practice videos.

 

And a charity game? Who plays hard in a charity game?

 

I'm not saying MJ couldn't school Pippen either. Jordan was the best player to ever play the game IMO.

 

Then why bring it up? I'm sure B.J. Armstrong guarded MJ in practice plenty. Not comparing Armstrong and Pippen. But LeBron would present challenges in a playground 2 on 2 that even Jordan couldn't. Remember. No help D or doubleteams. No coaching strategy. No refs. Just pure street ball.