2010-2011 NBA Thread

[Jordan4life_2007]

How? The Bulls were not good offensively. Equal Offenses and the Bulls win the series in 4.

 

The Bulls weren't good offensively because of the Heat's stifling defense. Or was it just coincidence Rose shot 35%?

[kjshoe04]

The Bulls weren't good offensively because of the Heat's stifling defense. Or was it just coincidence Rose shot 35%?

It wasn't a coincidence but having no other offensive players certainly doesn't help. The Bulls slowed down two players that are better offensively than Rose and one that is certainly a damn good scorer to keep the games close. The Heat are awesome at defense but saying they are the best since the 1990's Bulls looks a bit silly with a team that was arguably better in this same season.

[Steve9347]

This Heat team was put together to ruin lives.

Ha!

 

Chris Bosh... NBA Champion. Get used to saying that.

[Steve9347]

Wow. There were empty seats for Game 1. That is f***ing pathetic.

[Steve9347]

How? The Bulls were not good offensively. Equal Offenses and the Bulls win the series in 4.

Give it up.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Give it up.

 

This.

 

Most are in denial. I never hated LeBron because I thought he was such a rotten person. I hated LeBron because he didn't choose Chicago. I don't think anybody here would've had a problem with the Decision if LeBron had said he was taking his talents to the Windy City. I'm over that. He's the best player in the league. And now he's got guns instead of butter knives. It's a wrap for the rest of the NBA for the time being. They're the '08 Celtics on steroids.

[greg775]

I won't watch a second of it either.

 

1 on 3 is all you need to know of why. It's already rigged. It's been rigged since those 3 rigged it last july.

 

 

Also, after thinking about it, Scottie is dead to me.

 

Absolutely dead.

 

If you think it's rigged then how can you watch the Bulls play? I mean it's pointless to watch any year if it's rigged. Do you really believe it's fixed? If it is ... wow.

 

As far as Scotty, take this with respect, but grow up. Scottie Pippen is dead to you?

For one thing he said?

He ain't dead to me. Scotty rules!

I can disagree with his take, but he gave me years of enjoyment. He was a stud.

[kjshoe04]

This.

 

Most are in denial. I never hated LeBron because I thought he was such a rotten person. I hated LeBron because he didn't choose Chicago. I don't think anybody here would've had a problem with the Decision if LeBron had said he was taking his talents to the Windy City. I'm over that. He's the best player in the league. And now he's got guns instead of butter knives. It's a wrap for the rest of the NBA for the time being. They're the '08 Celtics on steroids.

Ok, because I think the Bulls were a better defensive team makes me in denial? The Heat are and were the better team and Lebron is the best player in on the planet, but I do think the Bulls were better defensively. The heat scored over 100 only once in the series and under 90 three times. Holding a team with that kind of firepower under 90 three out of 5 games in impressive to me, of course holding the Mavericks to 84 tonight is also impressive. I'm not saying the Heat suck or anything, just that I believe they are by very slightly the second best defensive team in the league. Pairing that with the best offensive team in the league is usually a pretty sound way to get yourself a ring, which I believe they will do. Although I hope they don't

[DBAHO]

Which might be a totally different indictment of his character...

Certainly don't think Dwight's motivated by money or fame etc. if so he'd probably be headed to LA, which the likes of Mike Wilbon have been wishing for years.

 

Makes good business sense more than anything though, if he can get a max level deal locked on for another 4 years I suppose.

 

And if it does happen, Otis Smith simply has to acquire as many expiring contracts as he can. Amnesty waive Arenas if you can do that, and go as hard as you can after either CP3 or Deron Williams in FA for the next off-season.

[Balta1701]

Id wager a lot of money Heat dont win 5 championships in a row starting today.

So, 4 out of 5 wouldn't spoil the NBA for you?

[BigSqwert]

The Mavs missed a ton of wide open looks last night. I wouldn't be surprised to see them steal one tomorrow night and make this a series.

[maggsmaggs]

Monte Ellis an an option?

 

And with West on board as management’s newest, sharpest voice, it seems likely that West already has begun to survey trade options for Ellis.

 

“I’ve seen teams trade players that score tons of points and people say, ‘How in the world can you trade that player?’ ” West said last week. “Because he might score tons of points and the team doesn’t win.

 

“When I look at (the Warriors), obviously they need more size.”

 

Of course, West was not definitively referring to Ellis when he spoke those words, and throughout the conversation he added that he admired Ellis’ toughness and inventive scoring ability.

 

But if West is instantly the team’s most influential voice in personnel moves, which I believe he is, and if he’s going to make a major move, which everybody in the NBA expects “… whom else but Ellis could he trade?

 

After checking with a few NBA sources, two teams kept coming up — both with the combination of potential interest and the right roster pieces to intrigue West and the Warriors.

 

They were:

 

Chicago, which might have been a big-time perimeter scorer away from pushing Miami to the brink in the Eastern Conference finals. Would the Bulls think about Luol Deng for Ellis? Could the Warriors sweeten that offer?

 

And Memphis, West’s old team, which has Rudy Gay at a huge salary and which offered O.J. Mayo for Ellis in the recent past.

 

That doesn’t mean it will be easy for the Warriors to trade Ellis — emotionally or practically. It will take some guts. But again, that’s precisely why West was brought to the Warriors in the first place.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011...e-guy-to-do-it/

 

Kawakami is real tuned into the Warriors, so this isn't like Phil Rogers saying something. I would love Ellis; to me he is a better and a little bigger Ben Gordon. He would obviously have to start playing defense better, but as an offensive option, he is pretty much the ideal 2-guard partner for DRose. I am guessing the Bulls would have to give up Deng + Taj or Asik. I would contemplate giving up the Bobcats' pick instead of Taj or Asik as I think that pick will be a lottery one, but likely not top 5. By trading Deng, you move Ronnie to the small forward spot and then can draft a purely defensive wing in the draft to replace Deng's defense, but finding a defensive wing is much easier than finding a 25-point-per-game scorer in the draft.

 

Thoughts? Is this better than what we currently have when defense is taken into the situation?

 

PG-Rose

SG-Ellis

SF-Brewer

PF-Boozer

C-Noah

 

PG-Watson

SG-Bogans

SF-Korver

C-Thomas

 

One of Asik/Gibson.

SG/SG - Draft (Malcolm Lee of UCLA?)

PF/C - Draft (JaJuan Johnson of Purdue?)

Edited June 1, 2011 by maggsmaggs

[southsider2k5]

Monte Ellis an an option?

 

 

 

 

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011...e-guy-to-do-it/

 

Kawakami is real tuned into the Warriors, so this isn't like Phil Rogers saying something. I would love Ellis; to me he is a better and a little bigger Ben Gordon. He would obviously have to start playing defense better, but as an offensive option, he is pretty much the ideal 2-guard partner for DRose. I am guessing the Bulls would have to give up Deng + Taj or Asik. I would contemplate giving up the Bobcats' pick instead of Taj or Asik as I think that pick will be a lottery one, but likely not top 5. By trading Deng, you move Ronnie to the small forward spot and then can draft a purely defensive wing in the draft to replace Deng's defense, but finding a defensive wing is much easier than finding a 25-point-per-game scorer in the draft.

 

Thoughts? Is this better than what we currently have when defense is taken into the situation?

 

PG-Rose

SG-Ellis

SF-Brewer

PF-Boozer

C-Noah

 

PG-Watson

SG-Bogans

SF-Korver

C-Thomas

 

One of Asik/Gibson.

SG/SG - Draft (Malcolm Lee of UCLA?)

PF/C - Draft (JaJuan Johnson of Purdue?)

 

The problem is that we then become as weak at the 3 as we were at the 2 last year. Honestly I am not sure even in a bubble that I would trade Deng for Ellis because of the defense that Lu brings. He pretty well bottled up the best player in the NBA for a playoff series. That is saying something.

[BigSqwert]

The problem is that we then become as weak at the 3 as we were at the 2 last year. Honestly I am not sure even in a bubble that I would trade Deng for Ellis because of the defense that Lu brings. He pretty well bottled up the best player in the NBA for a playoff series. That is saying something.

Agreed. Ideally I'd love to see a major upgrade over Bogans and stick with the rest of what we have.

[maggsmaggs]

The problem is that we then become as weak at the 3 as we were at the 2 last year. Honestly I am not sure even in a bubble that I would trade Deng for Ellis because of the defense that Lu brings. He pretty well bottled up the best player in the NBA for a playoff series. That is saying something.

Yeah that is the big question. I am big Deng fan. I think Brewer can replace Deng in the defensive starting role, but then you need to replace Brewer as the defensive player off the bench, which Bogans can do. But then you gotta replace Bogans' defensive role.

 

I think it only makes sense if the Bulls know they can find that defensive wing in the draft.

 

 

[maggsmaggs]

Agreed. Ideally I'd love to see a major upgrade over Bogans and stick with the rest of what we have.

My only worry is that major upgrade over Bogans can only come via a trade when you are going to have to sacrifice some strong assets. My assumption is based on the new CBA which probably won't have the MLE.

[southsider2k5]

Yeah that is the big question. I am big Deng fan. I think Brewer can replace Deng in the defensive starting role, but then you need to replace Brewer as the defensive player off the bench, which Bogans can do. But then you gotta replace Bogans' defensive role.

 

I think it only makes sense if the Bulls know they can find that defensive wing in the draft.

 

He isn't going to replace him for the 40+ minutes per game that Lu made last year. All though with Dengs injury history, I almost expect him to break down at some point next year.

 

The hard part of all of this is that we have to wait and see what happens to the CBA before we can truly speculate with any hope of accuracy.

[MattZakrowski]

Florida is a bad sports state in general.

 

Isn't some of it the lower average income? I thought Florida was kind of a poor state.

[Jenksismyhero]

They've got the east on lock. That's for sure, IMO. Even if Wade "declines," it won't matter because LeBron will be the best player in the game until at least age 30 and Bosh is only 27.

 

Wade is a fall away from being done for an extended period of time. I'm interested to see how he's doing next January-February. That'll be 1.5 seasons (plus a long playoff run) of 40ish minutes of all-out basketball against teams that are giving you their all.

[BigSqwert]

Isn't some of it the lower average income? I thought Florida was kind of a poor state.

I don't think you can say that about Miami though. A lot of high rollers live in that town.

[Balta1701]

He isn't going to replace him for the 40+ minutes per game that Lu made last year. All though with Dengs injury history, I almost expect him to break down at some point next year.

 

The hard part of all of this is that we have to wait and see what happens to the CBA before we can truly speculate with any hope of accuracy.

Ellis would also have been torched by Wade.

[southsider2k5]

Ellis would also have been torched by Wade.

 

I haven't seen much of Ellis play defense, but that wouldn't surprise me at all. Most players can't defend Wade. It is much more noteworthy for those who can.

[SoxAce]

Monte Ellis an an option?

 

 

 

 

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011...e-guy-to-do-it/

 

I honestly hope the Warriors trade Ellis and give the keys to Curry. (who IMO is very underrated as a playmaker and a very good ball handler) Would only help that franchise going forward, especially trading Ellis at his highest value. (though I am not a fan of his at all as a player, though a great scorer) Then again, I think very highly of Curry, more-so than just an undersized two guard who can play the one.

Edited June 1, 2011 by SoxAce

[BigSqwert]

Remember folks. This is just the first year our team has been coached by Thibs. I fully expect our defense to gradually improve each year as he grows as a head coach and our players become more entrenched in his philosophy.

[southsider2k5]

Remember folks. This is just the first year our team has been coached by Thibs. I fully expect our defense to gradually improve each year as he grows as a head coach and our players become more entrenched in his philosophy.

 

I have one fear with Thibs. As with Scott Skiles, he seemed to get a big improvement both on technique and commitment to defense when he got here. The problem is that Skiles alienates every team within a few years of his arrival because of his intensity and yelling. We all saw how hard Thibs rode his team. My one fear is that he burns players out after a period of time.