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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 01:52 PM)
No way Rose is doing what he's doing with LeBron here. Not that the Bulls aren't a better fit. I think they are. But honestly, he had the perfect setup in Cleveland.

 

He would have gotten his life torn apart in Chicago at the first sign of failure too.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 01:52 PM)
No way Rose is doing what he's doing with LeBron here. Not that the Bulls aren't a better fit. I think they are. But honestly, he had the perfect setup in Cleveland.

 

I wouldn't go THAT far. They had the shooters around him that they needed, but he basically had to do everything by himself in the playoffs. Just look at the Orlando series from two seasons ago, he averaged 38-8-8 and they still lost in 6 games. Even in the Boston series where he "gave up" last year, he still averaged 27-9-7. Someone else on that team needed to do something good in the playoffs, and it didn't happen often enough.

 

So far teaming with two high-volume offensive players (one of which with very similar strengths/weaknesses to Lebron) isn't working, but neither was playing with Mo Williams as their second best player. He's clearly good enough to be the best player on a championship team, but he needed/needs to play with someone else that can create their own shot once in a while. He has that now, but it seems like Wade and Lebron are getting in each other's way more than helping.

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russell westbrook is playing out of his mind right now, almost makes it seem like it's his team instead of durant's. if it werent for CP3 and DWill, the debate would be who is the best PG in the league between Rose and Westbrook, maybe Rondo. So who was laughing at me when I say Rose can learn a thing or two from Westbrook back in the summer?

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QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 11:38 PM)
russell westbrook is playing out of his mind right now, almost makes it seem like it's his team instead of durant's. if it werent for CP3 and DWill, the debate would be who is the best PG in the league between Rose and Westbrook, maybe Rondo. So who was laughing at me when I say Rose can learn a thing or two from Westbrook back in the summer?

What exactly is Rose going to learn from Westbrook though? Russell has been fantastic this season but Derrick has been just a tad better.

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QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 12:26 AM)
I think Rose has elevated his game this season to be in the conversation with Paul and Williams. Just sayin.

Easily. As a matter of fact, he might just be the best offensive pg in the game right now, problem is the other side of the ball.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 12:28 AM)
Easily. As a matter of fact, he might just be the best offensive pg in the game right now, problem is the other side of the ball.

No doubt. He is second in the league in scoring and is also giving out 8 assists a night.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 12:24 AM)
What exactly is Rose going to learn from Westbrook though? Russell has been fantastic this season but Derrick has been just a tad better.

 

a few months ago i mentioned that Rose and Westbrook have the same physical attributes and abilities, but yet westbrook is far more aggressive in terms of playing lock down defense, getting into the passing lane for the steal, being a great rebounder for his position, and when you actually watch the game, you will see westbrook is always hustling for the lose ball. Rose has the ability to do all those stuff, but he just doesn't do it often enough. That's why I mentioned Rose should learn from westbrook in this department, but most people on this board didn't seem to agree. Rose is a great player right now, but if he can use athleticism to get more rebounds, steals, get to the line more often, and play lock down defense, he will very soon be the best pg in the league.

 

Derrick is having an unbelievable season so far, and being a bulls fan, i want to say he is playing better than westbrook right now, but objectively, i think the opposite is true, for two reasons. Rose has improved a lot of defense, but on some nights, he still look like his old self and doesn't seem to engage in that side of the ball. Westbrook is still better on that side of the ball. Also, Westbrook is scoring 23-24 points a night, despite playing along side the best scorer in the league, because he is efficient with his opportunities and get to the line more often and hits the free throws. Rose on the other hand is a volume scorer and shot taker, and when boozer comes back, his shot attempts will almost certainly reduce, and so will his PPG. both will average around 23-8 per game, but westbrook has the complete game besides scoring and passing.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 29, 2010 -> 10:15 AM)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...tory?id=5862172

 

my favorite quote

 

 

 

 

Waaaaaaaah, Lebron cant have any fun. I am so sad for this

Are they really under the illusion that things are going to get easier if Riley takes over? It's going to be like boot camp for them. Riley doesn't f*** around.

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I'm not saying... but I am saying...

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There's a group I'm in on Facebook called "Derrick Rose is better than Rajon Rondo." At this point there's no point in even saying that anymore. Rose completely blows Rondo out of the water, and I don't know how someone with a straight face can say Rondo is better.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 04:28 AM)
I'm not saying... but I am saying...

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There's a group I'm in on Facebook called "Derrick Rose is better than Rajon Rondo." At this point there's no point in even saying that anymore. Rose completely blows Rondo out of the water, and I don't know how someone with a straight face can say Rondo is better.

 

Rose can learn a thing or two from Russell Westbrook

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 05:28 AM)
There's a group I'm in on Facebook called "Derrick Rose is better than Rajon Rondo." At this point there's no point in even saying that anymore. Rose completely blows Rondo out of the water, and I don't know how someone with a straight face can say Rondo is better.

I think that's real simple actually...Rondo can defend other guards, I'm not sure Rose can yet.

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 09:02 AM)
The Heat beat the wizards and Lebron said some stuff before the game so everything is better now.

I really think Thursday is the first time in a long time that I can remember cheering openly for Cleveland's basketball team.

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QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 01:46 AM)
a few months ago i mentioned that Rose and Westbrook have the same physical attributes and abilities, but yet westbrook is far more aggressive in terms of playing lock down defense, getting into the passing lane for the steal, being a great rebounder for his position, and when you actually watch the game, you will see westbrook is always hustling for the lose ball. Rose has the ability to do all those stuff, but he just doesn't do it often enough. That's why I mentioned Rose should learn from westbrook in this department, but most people on this board didn't seem to agree. Rose is a great player right now, but if he can use athleticism to get more rebounds, steals, get to the line more often, and play lock down defense, he will very soon be the best pg in the league.

 

Derrick is having an unbelievable season so far, and being a bulls fan, i want to say he is playing better than westbrook right now, but objectively, i think the opposite is true, for two reasons. Rose has improved a lot of defense, but on some nights, he still look like his old self and doesn't seem to engage in that side of the ball. Westbrook is still better on that side of the ball. Also, Westbrook is scoring 23-24 points a night, despite playing along side the best scorer in the league, because he is efficient with his opportunities and get to the line more often and hits the free throws. Rose on the other hand is a volume scorer and shot taker, and when boozer comes back, his shot attempts will almost certainly reduce, and so will his PPG. both will average around 23-8 per game, but westbrook has the complete game besides scoring and passing.

I'd take either one of them to be honest. It will be interesting to see how Rose adjusts with Boozer beside him since that will be his first real go-to teammate. Westbrook does have the pleasure of playing beside probably the best player in the game though I dont know how much that really affects his game since we havent seen him without Durant.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 12:24 AM)
What exactly is Rose going to learn from Westbrook though? Russell has been fantastic this season but Derrick has been just a tad better.

How to steal? That's about it. Rose and Westbrook have very similar games, but Rose takes smarter shots, will shoot a higher percentage, and has a more dependable 3 point shot.

 

Rose is a better player than Westbrook, and you couldn't convince me to trade him for any player in the league right now. The Bulls are lucky, as are we as fans.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 09:34 AM)
I'd take either one of them to be honest. It will be interesting to see how Rose adjusts with Boozer beside him since that will be his first real go-to teammate. Westbrook does have the pleasure of playing beside probably the best player in the game though I dont know how much that really affects his game since we havent seen him without Durant.

 

he actually won 2 games without both Durant and Green, and one was a road victory in Boston in which he dropped 31 on the celtics D. but yes, it's only a small sample size.

 

but keep in mind that westbrook is doing all of this without having a consistent jump shot. though his jump shot and overall shooting (mainly free throws) has been much improved this year. and take a look at his track record since he enter the league, he has went from an athlete and combo guard to a true point guard and budding superstar, and he has shown great improvement every year.

 

we keep saying how scary Rose can be once he adds a 3 point shot to his repertoire, but if you look at westbrook, he is already a great playmaker, great defender, great rebounder, and makes a living at the free throw line. if he can hit the jump shot consistently like Rose, it's actually more scary of how good he can be. and you would think jump shot is the easiest part of the game to improve on.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 09:56 AM)
How to steal? That's about it. Rose and Westbrook have very similar games, but Rose takes smarter shots, will shoot a higher percentage, and has a more dependable 3 point shot.

 

Rose is a better player than Westbrook, and you couldn't convince me to trade him for any player in the league right now. The Bulls are lucky, as are we as fans.

 

 

besides steals, westbrook and rondo are among the best defenders in the league at the PG position, Rose has been mediocre so far. westbrook is also the better rebounder, better at getting to the line and hitting the free throws, and if you watch the game, westbrook plays with a nonstop motor and hustles after the lose ball or rebound every time, Derrick doesn't do that, consistently.

 

Rose is probably better at taking over the game, and has a better jump shot. but westbrook has much higher TS% at 56.2% compared to Rose's 53.9% that's because rose is averaging just 3 points higher than westbrook despite taking 5 more shots a game.

 

Rose is the best point guard in the east, at least for now.. but the cream of the crop is in the west.

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