southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 07:22 AM) So the only way to acquire players is through FA? If your hopes are the Sox will fill holes with high priced free agents, you haven't been paying attention for years. The last time they gave another team's FA more than 20 million was 14 years ago. In the immediate terms, it is the quickest way, especially if people are serious about wanting to rebuild the farm system you were complaining about in another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 09:16 AM) In the immediate terms, it is the quickest way, especially if people are serious about wanting to rebuild the farm system you were complaining about in another thread. On top of that...what quality CF would be available who is better than Rios and somehow at a lower price? It doesn't do too much to help the system if you trade Rios away, but then take everything you've gotten back for Rios and more and trade that away to re-fill that CF hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 08:16 AM) In the immediate terms, it is the quickest way, especially if people are serious about wanting to rebuild the farm system you were complaining about in another thread. I suppose its impossible to trade for a CF or a LF and move Pierre back to CF. Thanks for the info. I must be real stupid, but I'm glad you're around to help me out. I'm glad you called me out for complaining about the farm system. I suppose I'm unique. Edited November 7, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 12:44 PM) On top of that...what quality CF would be available who is better than Rios and somehow at a lower price? It doesn't do too much to help the system if you trade Rios away, but then take everything you've gotten back for Rios and more and trade that away to re-fill that CF hole. Perhaps a Jacoby Ellsbury. They can also go for a LF or RF and move Pierre to CF. If Rios hits like he hit the 2nd half of the year, his contract is dead weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:32 PM) I suppose its impossible to trade for a CF or a LF and move Pierre back to CF. Thanks for the info. I must be real stupid, but I'm glad you're around to help me out. I'm glad you called me out for complaining about the farm system. I suppose I'm unique. Pierre would be terrible in CF, he would give up a huge amount of runs with that arm of his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 01:45 PM) Pierre would be terrible in CF, he would give up a huge amount of runs with that arm of his. One Dog played CF a long time for the White Sox. His arm was equally as bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:58 PM) One Dog played CF a long time for the White Sox. His arm was equally as bad. Wait, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) Wait, what? You must be too young to remember Lance Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) One Dog played CF a long time for the White Sox. His arm was equally as bad. Lance also started transitioning into being a part-time player at age 33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) Lance also started transitioning into being a part-time player at age 33. That's because he was injured. I have no idea what that has to do with Pierre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:46 PM) That's because he was injured. I have no idea what that has to do with Pierre. Pierre is getting to about the same age. The fact that he was an ok CF a few years back doesn't mean he wouldn't be a liability there now. Plus, he's never really been anything more than average in CF, and the last time he spent significant time there was 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) Pierre is getting to about the same age. The fact that he was an ok CF a few years back doesn't mean he wouldn't be a liability there now. Plus, he's never really been anything more than average in CF, and the last time he spent significant time there was 2007. His arm isn't any worse than it was. It can't be. Its like Konerko losing a step. He covered some ground in LF. There's no reason to think he would be any worse next year. If the fielding bible means anything, they had Rios the 15th best defensive CF in 2010. That's pretty average. Edited November 7, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 04:01 PM) His arm isn't any worse than it was. It can't be. Its like Konerko losing a step. He covered some ground in LF. There's no reason to think he would be any worse next year. Pierre has however Definitely lost a step or two since 2007. That was plainly obvious last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) You must be too young to remember Lance Johnson. Probably, I definitely watched him as a kid but by that time he was on other teams, no idea that Lance went by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) Pierre has however Definitely lost a step or two since 2007. That was plainly obvious last year. I don't know about that. He covered a lot of ground in LF and set a career high in SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 04:10 PM) I don't know about that. He covered a lot of ground in LF and set a career high in SB. Set a career high in SB's because Ozzie was running him all the time though. He covered a lot of ground in LF, but there's less overall ground to cover in LF than in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:17 PM) Set a career high in SB's because Ozzie was running him all the time though. He covered a lot of ground in LF, but there's less overall ground to cover in LF than in CF. He's had fewer SB and more CS plenty of times in his career. He would be fine in CF. Not a GG, but good enough to get by, and a lot better than some of the trash the White Sox have thrown out there the past 6 or 7 years. I don't think a guy with 68 SB can really have lost 2 steps. Edited November 7, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:04 PM) Probably, I definitely watched him as a kid but by that time he was on other teams, no idea that Lance went by that. Four 4 or 5 years the Sox had Johnson in CF and Raines in LF. They were perhaps the 2 worst OF arms in baseball, yet they won most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 Mark Reynolds is apparently on the trading block. I wonder if KW would like to trade for Reynold's big bat. Wonder who would be traded back? Package around Viciedo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 04:34 PM) Four 4 or 5 years the Sox had Johnson in CF and Raines in LF. They were perhaps the 2 worst OF arms in baseball, yet they won most of the time. They also had a one of the best hitters of the decade in the lineup...You cannot compare the two situations at all right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 05:07 PM) Mark Reynolds is apparently on the trading block. I wonder if KW would like to trade for Reynold's big bat. Wonder who would be traded back? Package around Viciedo? Ugh, please no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 05:07 PM) Mark Reynolds is apparently on the trading block. I wonder if KW would like to trade for Reynold's big bat. Wonder who would be traded back? Package around Viciedo? I'm not sure I'd give up Viciedo for him. He's just so inconsistent so far in his career. Big power potential, but the difference between an above average bat and a below average bat is basically whether he gets a handful of hits. With 210+ K's almost guaranteed, so much depends on BABIP...plus, next season his salary jumps from the minimum to $5 mil, and then up to $7, with an $11 mil 2013 option (He's getting paid based on last year, not on this year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 06:17 PM) I'm not sure I'd give up Viciedo for him. He's just so inconsistent so far in his career. Big power potential, but the difference between an above average bat and a below average bat is basically whether he gets a handful of hits. With 210+ K's almost guaranteed, so much depends on BABIP... And he isn't worth the risk right now with that contract he has, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 05:17 PM) I'm not sure I'd give up Viciedo for him. He's just so inconsistent so far in his career. Big power potential, but the difference between an above average bat and a below average bat is basically whether he gets a handful of hits. With 210+ K's almost guaranteed, so much depends on BABIP...plus, next season his salary jumps from the minimum to $5 mil, and then up to $7, with an $11 mil 2013 option (He's getting paid based on last year, not on this year). Adam Dunn thinks Mark Reynolds strikes out too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2010 Share Posted November 7, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) Four 4 or 5 years the Sox had Johnson in CF and Raines in LF. They were perhaps the 2 worst OF arms in baseball, yet they won most of the time. Sure, and if you can find me a prime Frank Thomas, than we can talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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