iamshack Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 It's costing a lot of money. Considering documenting it all and reporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Yea. Like every day. Every.single.day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I get that... Situation occurred where the one manager's incompetence created a problem to which I found a solution, after she had gone back home to resume her "PTO." I tell the other boss who then tells me not to tell anyone of the solution I've found. We're talking about a way to mitigate some $35-50k in LDs every day, and I'm being told to not reveal the solution so that the other manager can take the hit. Not cool with that, regardless of how commonplace it may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Just got word that I have an interview tomorrow at 11:30 - looks like I'll be taking a short lunch and will be starving by the time 5 hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Just got word that I have an interview tomorrow at 11:30 - looks like I'll be taking a short lunch and will be starving by the time 5 hits. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 09:16 PM) Just got word that I have an interview tomorrow at 11:30 - looks like I'll be taking a short lunch and will be starving by the time 5 hits. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 08:52 PM) I get that... Situation occurred where the one manager's incompetence created a problem to which I found a solution, after she had gone back home to resume her "PTO." I tell the other boss who then tells me not to tell anyone of the solution I've found. We're talking about a way to mitigate some $35-50k in LDs every day, and I'm being told to not reveal the solution so that the other manager can take the hit. Not cool with that, regardless of how commonplace it may be. I would just go ahead and tell the solution, and if you have any documentation showing that you found the solution at that time then track that. You're defense for any blowback is that you were looking out for the best for the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 10, 2012 -> 08:34 AM) I would just go ahead and tell the solution, and if you have any documentation showing that you found the solution at that time then track that. You're defense for any blowback is that you were looking out for the best for the company. Thanks for the advice, Russ... Yeah, I did email out the information that I found and they actually utilized it in implementing their solution. Of course, no thanks came why way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 9, 2012 -> 08:56 AM) Anyone ever have two of their superiors sort of battling it out against one another and in the process making decisions meant to harm each other and clearly not in the best interests of the company? not exactly like that, but yea, my situation is kind of similar. Part of it stems from the head boss not really having leadership skills, so people just do whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I did an information interview last week with an attorney that heads the health law section of her firm. I was prepared to talk about her career and had no thought about trying to angle for a job. She works at a big firm and it would be a pipe dream to get a job there anyway. Advice and a networking contact is what I was after. So a few minutes in, it becomes clear that she wants to hire someone but it sounds like she wants someone way beyond my experience level so I don't take the bait and keep on with my questions. She mentions her need again after stating that her summer associate isn't working out and I decide that I have to switch tactics and start selling myself (which sucks when I'm trying to be honest about myself and get career advice). She tells me to send her my resume and that she is going to be pushing to hire someone to work with her. So I say I'd love to be considered, etc. and sent the resume. Now the question is...what the hell do I do now? There's no guarantee any job will actually open but I don't want to be forgotten in case it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) I did an information interview last week with an attorney that heads the health law section of her firm. I was prepared to talk about her career and had no thought about trying to angle for a job. She works at a big firm and it would be a pipe dream to get a job there anyway. Advice and a networking contact is what I was after. So a few minutes in, it becomes clear that she wants to hire someone but it sounds like she wants someone way beyond my experience level so I don't take the bait and keep on with my questions. She mentions her need again after stating that her summer associate isn't working out and I decide that I have to switch tactics and start selling myself (which sucks when I'm trying to be honest about myself and get career advice). She tells me to send her my resume and that she is going to be pushing to hire someone to work with her. So I say I'd love to be considered, etc. and sent the resume. Now the question is...what the hell do I do now? There's no guarantee any job will actually open but I don't want to be forgotten in case it does. You casually but professionally follow up on the possibility to keep you on her mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 02:43 PM) You casually but professionally follow up on the possibility to keep you on her mind. Yup, after a day or two send a thank you email for the conversation and how you look forward to future conversations about working there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) Yup, after a day or two send a thank you email for the conversation and how you look forward to future conversations about working there. This one. Short, sweet, and gracious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) Yup, after a day or two send a thank you email for the conversation and how you look forward to future conversations about working there. I did that. I guess a different way of asking the question is, what if 2 or 3 weeks go by? Do I follow up again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 03:23 PM) I did that. I guess a different way of asking the question is, what if 2 or 3 weeks go by? Do I follow up again? Depends what you have to lose by being a pain in the ass. Is there anything you need or want from her now other than a potential position? Assuming the answer is you really don't have much to lose, all you want to make sure of is that nothing you do would do anything to negatively impact the possibility of you getting this position. If that is the case, sending an email just gently asking if she ever managed to find the right candidate would probably do no harm. The key is just to try and be the least of a pain in her ass as you could possibly be, while at the same time being assertive enough that she knows you have serious interest. I've found from experience that just asking if she managed to find the right candidate for the position seems to be non-threatening enough, where as if you make the request more formal as ask for a "status update," that tends to make people think you are annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) Depends what you have to lose by being a pain in the ass. Is there anything you need or want from her now other than a potential position? Assuming the answer is you really don't have much to lose, all you want to make sure of is that nothing you do would do anything to negatively impact the possibility of you getting this position. If that is the case, sending an email just gently asking if she ever managed to find the right candidate would probably do no harm. The key is just to try and be the least of a pain in her ass as you could possibly be, while at the same time being assertive enough that she knows you have serious interest. I've found from experience that just asking if she managed to find the right candidate for the position seems to be non-threatening enough, where as if you make the request more formal as ask for a "status update," that tends to make people think you are annoying. That's an interesting approach. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 11, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) I did that. I guess a different way of asking the question is, what if 2 or 3 weeks go by? Do I follow up again? I always try to ask what type of time frame they are looking at during the interview process. If that much time passes, then I follow up again to see where they are at in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 07:55 AM) I always try to ask what type of time frame they are looking at during the interview process. If that much time passes, then I follow up again to see where they are at in the process. Yeah, this is where I have gotten myself in trouble in the past Their time frames are usually not realistic, and you following up at these checkpoints are sort of a reminder that they suck and are behind schedule...I had one woman actually say something such as "I'm sorry our hiring process is not proceeding quickly enough for you..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 07:58 AM) Yeah, this is where I have gotten myself in trouble in the past Their time frames are usually not realistic, and you following up at these checkpoints are sort of a reminder that they suck and are behind schedule...I had one woman actually say something such as "I'm sorry our hiring process is not proceeding quickly enough for you..." Wow. That is pretty bad. It also is a red flag that you probably don't want to work at a place like that. I've dropped out of the interview process at places where their HR was awful, because often times it is a sign of bigger systemic problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 08:04 AM) Wow. That is pretty bad. It also is a red flag that you probably don't want to work at a place like that. I've dropped out of the interview process at places where their HR was awful, because often times it is a sign of bigger systemic problems. So have I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 07:13 AM) So have I. As have I...a few years ago, I had been involved in the interview process for some 4 months from the time I received an email requesting a phone interview until waiting for their decision. My lease was coming up soon and this job would have required me to move out of state. I prefaced my request for an update with the notion that I had a housing decision coming up, and merely asked if they knew when they would be reaching a decision. She sent me back that s***ty response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 08:28 AM) As have I...a few years ago, I had been involved in the interview process for some 4 months from the time I received an email requesting a phone interview until waiting for their decision. My lease was coming up soon and this job would have required me to move out of state. I prefaced my request for an update with the notion that I had a housing decision coming up, and merely asked if they knew when they would be reaching a decision. She sent me back that s***ty response. It makes the decision much easier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 08:34 AM) It makes the decision much easier... Yes, and it made my decision to say no easier when they contacted me again this year wanting to interview me for a different position... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2012 -> 08:37 AM) Yes, and it made my decision to say no easier when they contacted me again this year wanting to interview me for a different position... "I'm sorry, my timeline doesn't fit your interview schedule..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Serious question: Why does it seem that every HR department is just terrible? I mean, I work at a company where we consistently rank in/near the top 10 to work in HR at and I'm really believing that's because they actually don't do anything. Edited July 12, 2012 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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