southsider2k5 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:18 AM) Ok, I recognize this is wrong of them, but I am just going to say I think you guys are taking this a bit more seriously than I think it warrants. This stuff is going on all over the place. Look at the way law firms treat their clerks...hah, this is nothing compared to that. I am a firm believer that apathy enables. Saying nothing just makes it easier for the next guy to get screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:26 AM) There are plenty of law clerks that don't get paid at all. The legal field exploits the law students' need for experience by hiring them as unpaid interns or grossly underpaying them. But that's the understanding up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:40 AM) I am a firm believer that apathy enables. Saying nothing just makes it easier for the next guy to get screwed. And I am saying it is really easy for you guys to get all idealistic about this. But look at it in reality from his perspective. The amount of $ and the risk posed to his career do not warrant him playing the role of hero here. If he wants, he can go to his supervisor and tell them he believes it is illegal for him to not be paid for his overtime hours, and that they either need to pay him for those hours if they expect him to work them, or he will refuse to work any hours beyond 40. Edited July 23, 2012 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:40 AM) But that's the understanding up front. It's pretty much the understanding with startup companies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) And I am saying it is really easy for you guys to get all idealistic about this. But look at it in reality from his perspective. The amount of $ and the risk posed to his career do not warrant him being playing the role of hero here. If he wants, he can go to his supervisor and tell them he believes it is illegal for him to not be paid for his overtime hours, and that they either need to pay him for those hours if they expect him to work them, or he will refuse to work any hours beyond 40. It isn't idealism. I have done it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) It isn't idealism. I have done it. I'll bet you were getting f***ed out of a lot more money than Ross is, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:50 AM) I'll bet you were getting f***ed out of a lot more money than Ross is, too. $-wise, absolutely. But I would be willing to bet the money means a lot more to him now, than it did to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) It's pretty much the understanding with startup companies too. I guess if that was made clear up front, that due to cash flow issues he might not get paid, then i'd be more willing to agree with you. But he should still report it. Even if he did it anonymously so that someone from the NLRB or the Illinois Sec of State would give them a call and maybe force them to start paying people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I should clarify a few things. They aren't paying overtime to some salaried employees who work under the threshold for OT pay. A minimum wage employee works 60 hours a week and doesn't get OT. I realize what G&T said originally but wasn't sure if there were exemptions for minimum wage employees. Paychecks are pushed back a month but are not skipped. So I just got the overtime I earned a month ago on the weekend. My concern now is that they got rid of the finger print system to keep track of time for lunches and how much you've worked. Now the HR person eyeballs how long you have worked based off the security cameras in the office until the admin system is developed. My paychecks always read 80 hours for two weeks and since we're a month behind I am "being paid" and having checks pushed back since overtime is packed in to the check somehow. The issue is I don't know how much I'm out for overtime or what I am owed. Maybe I need to start keeping track of my hours. I don't believe in the management but the product is cool. Unfortunately I don't love what I'm doing enough to keep working at an hourly rate and wouldn't mind taking the new job I suggested for a salary and benefits to start out. I don't know if I'd report a scenario like this, but that doesn't mean the guy I mentioned before wouldn't. I appreciate everyone's concern and sorry I couldn't reply sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 My internship is done in September. Started to get very concerned about what happens after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 07:22 PM) I should clarify a few things. They aren't paying overtime to some salaried employees who work under the threshold for OT pay. A minimum wage employee works 60 hours a week and doesn't get OT. I realize what G&T said originally but wasn't sure if there were exemptions for minimum wage employees. Paychecks are pushed back a month but are not skipped. So I just got the overtime I earned a month ago on the weekend. My concern now is that they got rid of the finger print system to keep track of time for lunches and how much you've worked. Now the HR person eyeballs how long you have worked based off the security cameras in the office until the admin system is developed. My paychecks always read 80 hours for two weeks and since we're a month behind I am "being paid" and having checks pushed back since overtime is packed in to the check somehow. The issue is I don't know how much I'm out for overtime or what I am owed. Maybe I need to start keeping track of my hours. I don't believe in the management but the product is cool. Unfortunately I don't love what I'm doing enough to keep working at an hourly rate and wouldn't mind taking the new job I suggested for a salary and benefits to start out. I don't know if I'd report a scenario like this, but that doesn't mean the guy I mentioned before wouldn't. I appreciate everyone's concern and sorry I couldn't reply sooner. Keep a daily log of your hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 They are keeping track of hours by looking at the security camera? Jeesh, what is wrong with these fools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) They are keeping track of hours by looking at the security camera? Jeesh, what is wrong with these fools. Which means they aren't keeping track at all, because no one is watching all of that footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) They are keeping track of hours by looking at the security camera? Jeesh, what is wrong with these fools. Originally we clocked in, got a half an hour for lunch and two paid 15 minute breaks. Now they are switching over to a computer log in for our time worked but it isn't developed yet so I am going to keep track of hours in a book and excel document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 07:45 PM) My internship is done in September. Started to get very concerned about what happens after that. What is your concern? Sounded like you got some good work experience and have some good options out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:40 PM) What is your concern? Sounded like you got some good work experience and have some good options out there. Extremely competitive industry, and I haven't been hearing back from any of the plethora of places I've applied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Extremely competitive industry, and I haven't been hearing back from any of the plethora of places I've applied to. That' is the new normal. Don't let it bother you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 08:27 PM) Originally we clocked in, got a half an hour for lunch and two paid 15 minute breaks. Now they are switching over to a computer log in for our time worked but it isn't developed yet so I am going to keep track of hours in a book and excel document. Why wouldn't they just make you punch a time card? How ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:02 PM) Why wouldn't they just make you punch a time card? How ridiculous. I have no idea. Some days I even wonder if the paid 15 minute breaks we get include bathroom breaks. Those are the only breaks I take since I don't smoke or screw around. I go work and come home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 At my old job where everyone was salaried (though I'm guessing this is same for hourly) the people who smoked would take 5-6 breaks throughout the day to smoke. At least 5 minutes each. Half hour or so every day. Somehow I feel that it's an accepted practice, like a God-given right for those breaks. But if a non-smoker wants to go screw around 5 minutes every hour, they'd hear about it. Or if they wanted to go home 30 minutes early. They worked the same amount the smokers did. Just a random observation, always found it funny how accepted it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I know people who smoke just so they can get that break. Its an odd one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 They are keeping track of hours by looking at the security camera? Jeesh, what is wrong with these fools. I arrive at work a MINIMUM of 10 minutes early each day. The clock on my wall is about 90 seconds faster than the clock on my computer. I had been leaving my office when the clock on my wall hit 5:00. Somebody complained to my boss that I was leaving the exit door (90 second walk from my office door) at exactly 5:00 and therefore must be leaving my office BEFORE 5:00. I explained that (1) the clock on my wall read 5:00 and (2) what is 90 seconds anyway when I regularly arrive 10-15 minutes early. My boss explained that the computer clock is the official clock and I am not allowed to leave my office before the official clock reaches 5:00, and that showing up early is my choice and does not entitle me to leave early since we do not work on "flex" time. Now you know why I actively post in the Job Hunt Thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:02 PM) Why wouldn't they just make you punch a time card? How ridiculous. From the stories about this company, no proof of wages if anyone ever does complain about their payroll issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 07:37 AM) I arrive at work a MINIMUM of 10 minutes early each day. The clock on my wall is about 90 seconds faster than the clock on my computer. I had been leaving my office when the clock on my wall hit 5:00. Somebody complained to my boss that I was leaving the exit door (90 second walk from my office door) at exactly 5:00 and therefore must be leaving my office BEFORE 5:00. I explained that (1) the clock on my wall read 5:00 and (2) what is 90 seconds anyway when I regularly arrive 10-15 minutes early. My boss explained that the computer clock is the official clock and I am not allowed to leave my office before the official clock reaches 5:00, and that showing up early is my choice and does not entitle me to leave early since we do not work on "flex" time. Now you know why I actively post in the Job Hunt Thread. Hopefully you stopped showing up early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Jesus christ who would complain about someone leaving at 4:58:30 instead of 5:00:00 anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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