Steve9347 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 29, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) Pretty much, he's the Sr Dir for the department, and he has shown a lot of preference over technical leaders compared to people leaders. Even if he viewed me as a future technical leader (which I don't think is my strength) it doesn't follow what I would want to do. While I fully think you need to understand the technology you manage in IT, I don't think the actual manager should be the technical leader, your engineers should be. He's looking (at least has indicated, again only 3 weeks but it's pretty apparent) they he wants engineers leading his teams. I don't agree with that since there's too much second guessing by the manager on his top engineers and the manager should be focused on developing/enabling his engineers to succeed rather than designing/building sytems. It's a difference in philosophy, and while there are cases it works I've seen it fail way more often then succeed, mainly because your technical leaders typically can't effectively lead people and that spawns way more issues then any pros you get from being the leader in that technical area. I've got a great reputation with his direct reports, but I honestly see a lot of them being pushed out or moving along. As mentioned, I'm just happy that I've been getting recognized outside of the department now, hopefully it leads to some good opportunities which may never have opened in Security anyways (it's a 40ish person department, much more limited then other departments). Give it a few more weeks. These new leaders are brought in to make changes, and the first few weeks are an adjustment. I'm sure you'll be sharing beers with this new Senior Director in a couple months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Oct 29, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) In my head, working at someplace like Chili’s is a lot like the movie Waiting. It's a requirement to watch that movie before you work your first shift. While a lot of stereotypes are true in that movie, and we say/think a lot of those things in the movie, I always felt like it was more of an Applebee's looking restaurant in the movie. And don't worry about people spitting in your food or being wreckless with it. our food standards are actually quite impressive. I mean, don't get me wrong, the chefs eat food back there they get lazy cooking sometimes, but they don't tamper with the taste in any way or use old or dirty food. Hell, we even throw food out if it is under the heatlamps for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 29, 2014 -> 11:48 PM) It's a requirement to watch that movie before you work your first shift. While a lot of stereotypes are true in that movie, and we say/think a lot of those things in the movie, I always felt like it was more of an Applebee's looking restaurant in the movie. And don't worry about people spitting in your food or being wreckless with it. our food standards are actually quite impressive. I mean, don't get me wrong, the chefs eat food back there they get lazy cooking sometimes, but they don't tamper with the taste in any way or use old or dirty food. Hell, we even throw food out if it is under the heatlamps for too long. Spitting in food in a kitchen setting is actually a felony punishable with prison time. Nobody spits in food. That's all old urban legends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Got laid off on Tuesday and just got an offer for a new job today. Man it's nice having marketable skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) Got laid off on Tuesday and just got an offer for a new job today. Man it's nice having marketable skills. Because he insisted you were fudging your hours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) Because he insisted you were fudging your hours? Well he basically told my agency there wasn't a lot of work and he didn't understand how I was working 40 hours a week. So instead of telling me to go home or come back later, he just got upset and stupid. I didn't really see myself there long term but I just got a 20K raise. So obviously it was in the cards for me to get this gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nice! Glad it worked out for the better as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Got laid off on Tuesday and just got an offer for a new job today. Man it's nice having marketable skills. phew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) Well he basically told my agency there wasn't a lot of work and he didn't understand how I was working 40 hours a week. So instead of telling me to go home or come back later, he just got upset and stupid. I didn't really see myself there long term but I just got a 20K raise. So obviously it was in the cards for me to get this gig. Congrats on falling upward man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) Congrats on falling upward man! I know that has to be a rarity in life. I'm really fortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) Congrats on falling upward man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Regarding background checks: Is there typically a certain time a potential employer looks at a person's background? I thought I had heard it's 7 years; however, the place in which I currently have an offer from asks "have you EVER been convicted". I took a plea bargain for a DUI 10 years ago. I know the proper thing to do is to put it on there, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (smalls2598 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) Regarding background checks: Is there typically a certain time a potential employer looks at a person's background? I thought I had heard it's 7 years; however, the place in which I currently have an offer from asks "have you EVER been convicted". I took a plea bargain for a DUI 10 years ago. I know the proper thing to do is to put it on there, right? List it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (smalls2598 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) Regarding background checks: Is there typically a certain time a potential employer looks at a person's background? I thought I had heard it's 7 years; however, the place in which I currently have an offer from asks "have you EVER been convicted". I took a plea bargain for a DUI 10 years ago. I know the proper thing to do is to put it on there, right? Depends on the employer. And not all background checks are equal. Safest bet is to list it probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 If it was me, I'd leave it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) Depends on the employer. And not all background checks are equal. Safest bet is to list it probably. As you and Jason both say, I think I will list it out. It would be a great opportunity for get back into a job market that I enjoy, and I really don't want to mess up my chances by lying if they do see it on my background check. I just really with the word "ever" wasn't on there, it would make this a more simple decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (smalls2598 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) As you and Jason both say, I think I will list it out. It would be a great opportunity for get back into a job market that I enjoy, and I really don't want to mess up my chances by lying if they do see it on my background check. I just really with the word "ever" wasn't on there, it would make this a more simple decision. Also check back to see how your DWI matter was resolved. Sometimes that stuff doesn't end with a technical "conviction" so by the letter of the question you'd be OK leaving it off. But if you plead out it most likely was a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I just got an amazing job offer. And said company wants to hire the rest of my team. But our first deal closed today. Both things popped at once. By accepting, there's no way my current company can hold up their end of the bargain on the deal that just closed. This new position is with an amazing company, and my entire team comes with. Is it unethical to take the position with the deal that just closed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 1st question would be what sort of non-compete exists in relation to your employment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 5, 2014 -> 08:07 PM) 1st question would be what sort of non-compete exists in relation to your employment. None. And they were set to cut all of them 12/01. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 It depends on how badly you want this company to have a good opinion of you in the future. If you don't mind a burnt bridge in your past, jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I still say given how quickly the current company was to drop everyone, how could you necessarily feel safe. I think you have to look what is going to give you and your team the best long-term opportunity at success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Steve, Did you sign an employment contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) Steve, Did you sign an employment contract? I do. The non-compete only qualifies for sales people leaving and deals they'd been working. I think I'm in the clear. I countered asking for 12% more. I'm told they'll respond today. That said, I'm taking the job either way. It's too important to my family's future. I could work at this place, worry free, for the next 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 07:27 AM) I do. The non-compete only qualifies for sales people leaving and deals they'd been working. I think I'm in the clear. I countered asking for 12% more. I'm told they'll respond today. That said, I'm taking the job either way. It's too important to my family's future. I could work at this place, worry free, for the next 30 years. Loyalty is overrated. Companies treat employees like numbers anyway. You have your family to worry about. This is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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