scenario Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 07:50 PM) I'm sure they are targeting every LH bat on the market. If they are going after Crawford that means Konerko's ship has sailed. Not necessarily. There are other possible moves that will shave enough off the budget to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:04 PM) Not necessarily. There are other possible moves that will shave enough off the budget to make it work. Rios Konerko Buehrle Jackson AJP Peavy Most likely to be moved or not signed back, AJ and Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:04 PM) Not necessarily. There are other possible moves that will shave enough off the budget to make it work. I think we'd have to trade Danks, and as much as I'm a fan it isn't the worst thing in the world because you'd get a decent return for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:06 PM) I think we'd have to trade Danks, and as much as I'm a fan it isn't the worst thing in the world because you'd get a decent return for him. But that doesnt free up nearly enough money to sign Crawford. Its probably a third of what Crawford will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:10 PM) But that doesnt free up nearly enough money to sign Crawford. Its probably a third of what Crawford will make. It's one of a bunch of things they'd have to do, like I was saying above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Unless someone wants to take Peavy's entire contract off the Sox hands, then Crawford aint gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:16 PM) Unless someone wants to take Peavy's entire contract off the Sox hands, then Crawford aint gonna happen. I dunno...one of these years the Sox are going to decide to boost payroll. They've been sitting right around $95-$98 million for the past 5 years. They've dealt with declining attendance and the economic problems over that time, but league revenue sharing dollars have gone up, and the value of lots of ad contracts probably go up as well. I could see a salary boost as being possible one of these years. The problem is...even if they decide to boost the salary, they're just not outbidding the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) I dunno...one of these years the Sox are going to decide to boost payroll. They've been sitting right around $95-$98 million for the past 5 years. They've dealt with declining attendance and the economic problems over that time, but league revenue sharing dollars have gone up, and the value of lots of ad contracts probably go up as well. I could see a salary boost as being possible one of these years. The problem is...even if they decide to boost the salary, they're just not outbidding the Yankees. 2008 - 121 mil if I recalled. Realistically with our minor league system the way it is, payroll will have to increase if the Sox want to compete. There's no way they get Crawford but Adam Dunn might be a nice consolation prize. I guess he is going to be type B so he wont even cost a first rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (daggins @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) 2008 - 121 mil if I recalled. Realistically with our minor league system the way it is, payroll will have to increase if the Sox want to compete. There's no way they get Crawford but Adam Dunn might be a nice consolation prize. I guess he is going to be type B so he wont even cost a first rounder. That was with teams like the Phillies still paying a large portion of the team's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) I dunno...one of these years the Sox are going to decide to boost payroll. They've been sitting right around $95-$98 million for the past 5 years. They've dealt with declining attendance and the economic problems over that time, but league revenue sharing dollars have gone up, and the value of lots of ad contracts probably go up as well. I could see a salary boost as being possible one of these years. The problem is...even if they decide to boost the salary, they're just not outbidding the Yankees. I hear what you are saying, but I just dont see them adding a 7 year-$140 million contract or whatever with Peavy & Rios deals still on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:37 PM) I hear what you are saying, but I just dont see them adding a 7 year-$140 million contract or whatever with Peavy & Rios deals still on the books. I could see them adding him at say, 5/$95. But they're simply not going to outbid the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 06:08 PM) LF-Pierre SS-Ramirez RF-Crawford CF-Rios 1B-Daric Barton (acquired from OAK for Quentin + ?) DH-Viciedo + C-AJ 2B-Beckham 3B-Morel With Carter coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if Beane does trade Barton. Barton's a nice player, but you would like more power at 1B than what he provides. Barton's a lot like Mark Grace actually. Edited October 8, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) I don't think he would be a good clubhouse guy and no I have no evidence but even watching him tonight, his team losing and his behavior in the dugout... He probably would be an upgrade over CQ in RF, but way too early for this, IMHO. I don't believe the report that Crawford is the Sox' number one target anyway and I doubt that they will sign him. But regardless, I hope the Sox wouldn't pay the guy a ton of money and then plan to play him out of position. If the Sox sign Crawford he better be their starting Left Fielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 8, 2010 Author Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:35 PM) With Carter coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if Beane does trade Barton. Barton's a nice player, but you would like more power at 1B than what he provides. Barton's a lot like Mark Grace actually. I'm a big Barton fan, but you're right he's not gonna slug what a typical 1B provides, although he'd probably hit 15+ hrs for the Sox. He gives you an .800 OPS which this team desperatley needs. From multiple players. If the Sox did deal Quentin (+) for Barton, they'd need to find some thump for sure. Quentin was an .821 OPS last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 8, 2010 Author Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:51 PM) I don't believe the report that Crawford is the Sox' number one target anyway and I doubt that they will sign him. But regardless, I hope the Sox wouldn't pay the guy a ton of money and then plan to play him out of position. If the Sox sign Crawford he better be their starting Left Fielder. Why would you not believe he's their #1 target? He should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 09:53 PM) Why would you not believe he's their #1 target? He should be. Sox need a RFer, Crawford plays LF. Unless the Sox are going to unload Pierre, I can't see them getting into a bidding war with the Yankees and others for Crawford with the intent of playing him out of position. I don't believe the report because like someone else mentioned, the Sox would have to be very careful about revealing that their number one target is a guy who is currently still playing in the post season - that would be tampering. I wouldn't put too much stock in anything that is reported on WSCR anyway. If anything, KW or someone on the Sox is feeding some sap on the SCORE some misinformation to keep under the radar on whom their real top target may be. Personally, out of all the free agents out there I'd like to see them persue Jayson Werth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 The next time the Sox sign a big-time free agent will be the first since Albert Belle. Yeah, we are targeting him, meaning once we realize he wants $7 million more per year and four extra years, we will drop out of the bidding. Just another attempt for the Sox management to convince the fans they are going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 10:26 PM) The next time the Sox sign a big-time free agent will be the first since Albert Belle. Yeah, we are targeting him, meaning once we realize he wants $7 million more per year and four extra years, we will drop out of the bidding. Just another attempt for the Sox management to convince the fans they are going for it. They acquired/traded for Alex Rios & Jake Peavy, both who had at least $40-50 million left on their deals. Don't act like the Sox have never spent money on players. They signed PK to a 5/$60 contract, MB signed for 4/$48. Its kinda hard to sign big name free agents with the Yankees/Red Sox around, and I'd prefer they don't overpay them either just to make a move. Even this season, they traded for EJax due $8.5 million next year and paid Manny $4 million for a month of nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Us: Carl, we offer you 5 years at $60 million. Carl: No Us: Oh well, we tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 10:40 PM) Us: Carl, we offer you 5 years at $60 million. Carl: No Us: Oh well, we tried Even if KW offered him what Toriiiii got he'd be laughed at. Angels and Tigers have the most need (and $$$) but its hard to count the Yankees out of any top FA chase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 Is Crawford really worth $20 mil a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) Us: Carl, we offer you 5 years at $60 million. Carl: No Us: Oh well, we tried ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 11:03 PM) Is Crawford really worth $20 mil a year? Not at all. Personally, I think he's one of the more overrated "stars" in the game. And considering the Cell would eliminate some of the speed from his game, Dunn should be the Sox #1 target, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 8, 2010 Share Posted October 8, 2010 He isn't worth it but he might get it. 6/120 seems like the ceiling of what he'd get, with 6/110 or 5/100 seeming more likely. He's the best non-Lee FA on the market and is a big asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 8, 2010 Author Share Posted October 8, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 11:34 PM) Not at all. Personally, I think he's one of the more overrated "stars" in the game. And considering the Cell would eliminate some of the speed from his game, Dunn should be the Sox #1 target, imo. Crawford was a 6.8 WAR player this season. That is outstanding. (Konerko was a 4.2) He's worth $20M per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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