Dumb question about Manny

[Wanne]

Isn't he listed as a Type A? Do we get picks if he signs elsewhere?

[chw42]

Isn't he listed as a Type A? Do we get picks if he signs elsewhere?

 

Only if we offer him arbitration, which isn't going to happen.

[bigruss]

Read on up on arbitration and how it works: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/free...ion-primer.html

 

It's a decent overview of how it works.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Only if we offer him arbitration, which I am not sure if they would.

[bigruss]

Only if we offer him arbitration, which I am not sure if they would.

The Sox want no business of paying $18 million to Manny next year, there is less than 1% chance of them offering him arbitration.

 

IMO, will be hard for Manny to even get $18 million in a multiyear contract this offseason.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

It would be great to see him back on an Andruw Jones type deal. Can see him retiring before something like that happens.

[joeynach]

The question is do the white sox offer arbitration to AJ and PK with the hopes of either getting them to comback on 1 year deals or rejecting them and allowing us to acquire the draft picks. The sox have a real opportunity to get younger and stockpile some picks here. Remember AJ, PK, Putz, Vizquel, Jones, Kotsay are all free agents. If they all leave we clear salary for sure, but may also get the opportunity to acquire compensatory picks and bring so much needed youth and turnover to the 25 man roster. The only reason I say this is because if you bring back everyone mentioned and do field the same team with $120M payroll Im still not sure its a 95 win team that can even get past the Twins....again.

[bigruss]

The question is do the white sox offer arbitration to AJ and PK with the hopes of either getting them to comback on 1 year deals or rejecting them and allowing us to acquire the draft picks. The sox have a real opportunity to get younger and stockpile some picks here. Remember AJ, PK, Putz, Vizquel, Jones, Kotsay are all free agents. If they all leave we clear salary for sure, but may also get the opportunity to acquire compensatory picks and bring so much needed youth and turnover to the 25 man roster. The only reason I say this is because if you bring back everyone mentioned and do field the same team with $120M payroll Im still not sure its a 95 win team that can even get past the Twins....again.

AJ would most likely accept arbitration then you're stuck paying him about double what his market value is (paying him $6 mill compared to a likely $3 mill he is worth). YOu also have to consider that his type A status will scare away many teams who would hate to lose a high draft pick for a league average catcher who is 34 years old.

 

You have to consider the consequence of these players accepting arbitration, and factor that into your decision.

[3E8]

PK and Putz are no-brainers, AJ would get a multiyear deal on the open market, but I could also see him accepting arb and waiting FA out another year

[South Side Fireworks Man]

The question is do the white sox offer arbitration to AJ and PK with the hopes of either getting them to comback on 1 year deals or rejecting them and allowing us to acquire the draft picks. The sox have a real opportunity to get younger and stockpile some picks here. Remember AJ, PK, Putz, Vizquel, Jones, Kotsay are all free agents. If they all leave we clear salary for sure, but may also get the opportunity to acquire compensatory picks and bring so much needed youth and turnover to the 25 man roster. The only reason I say this is because if you bring back everyone mentioned and do field the same team with $120M payroll Im still not sure its a 95 win team that can even get past the Twins....again.

I think the Sox will offer Konerko arbitration for sure.

 

As for AJ, I would think they'll try to work out a contract to avoid arbitration. Something like two years at 4 to 5M per year plus an option year with a 1M buyout.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

The Sox want no business of paying $18 million to Manny next year, there is less than 1% chance of them offering him arbitration.

 

IMO, will be hard for Manny to even get $18 million in a multiyear contract this offseason.

I didn't know there was a figure attached to his arbitration. I just thought arbitration means they offer him the chance to pick the salary he wants, and then the Sox pick what they want to pay him, and then the arbiter picks which deal is more fair, or picks a figure in between. I didn't realize it was like an option where we already know his cost.

[joeynach]

I didn't know there was a figure attached to his arbitration. I just thought arbitration means they offer him the chance to pick the salary he wants, and then the Sox pick what they want to pay him, and then the arbiter picks which deal is more fair, or picks a figure in between. I didn't realize it was like an option where we already know his cost.

 

Through Arbitration a player can make no less than 20% of what he made the previous year. So that 18M figure is like the minimum you could pay him through Arbitration if he accepted the offer since he made something like 22M last year.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Through Arbitration a player can make no less than 20% of what he made the previous year. So that 18M figure is like the minimum you could pay him through Arbitration if he accepted the offer since he made something like 22M last year.

 

Wow. That rule sucks.

 

So that means Konerko is going to get no less than $10M/year from us if we offer him arb....? I'd offer that, and if he wants too much more than that, then say no, and we get a pick if he signs elsewhere, yes?

[kitekrazy]

The only reason I say this is because if you bring back everyone mentioned and do field the same team with $120M payroll Im still not sure its a 95 win team that can even get past the Twins....again.

 

Then again they might win 95 and how they do against the Twins isn't all that important. If you take out the slow start, pen blowing 5 straight games and replace just a few guys and get better at DH, they aren't that far. They could also get a lot worse since they got some older players and age will start to show in other players.

 

Kenny doesn't have much trade bait and who knows what his financial resources will be. He always makes it out to be grim but getting Jackson and Manny contradicts that.

 

 

[3E8]

Wow. That rule sucks.

 

So that means Konerko is going to get no less than $10M/year from us if we offer him arb....? I'd offer that, and if he wants too much more than that, then say no, and we get a pick if he signs elsewhere, yes?

 

Read on up on arbitration and how it works: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/free...ion-primer.html

 

It's a decent overview of how it works.

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

What did I do wrong?

[joeynach]

Wow. That rule sucks.

 

So that means Konerko is going to get no less than $10M/year from us if we offer him arb....? I'd offer that, and if he wants too much more than that, then say no, and we get a pick if he signs elsewhere, yes?

 

Yes

[witesoxfan]

What did I do wrong?

 

You seemed confused in your post, and so he quoted that post that has the article outlining how arbitration works to clear up any confusions you may have had.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

You seemed confused in your post, and so he quoted that post that has the article outlining how arbitration works to clear up any confusions you may have had.

 

The "Wow, that sucks" part referred to us not being able to offer anything less than $18M to Manny, not to us making an offer to Konerko. Maybe that's what confused some people.

[witesoxfan]

The "Wow, that sucks" part referred to us not being able to offer anything less than $18M to Manny, not to us making an offer to Konerko. Maybe that's what confused some people.

 

No, it was the question marks and the ellipse in the second half.