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[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Just because you dominate in the AFL doesn't mean it will carryover.

 

Case in point, Flowers, Retherford, etc.

 

The AFL has almost always been a hitting dominant league, as most star pitching prospect aren't sent there.

 

Right, but it works both ways. You guys brought up a guy who was good in the AFL, but not the following year, and I brought up a guy who was good in the AFL and then good the following year. My example is just as valid as yours.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

If you think successful = dominant than why even bother talking about a player's performance?

 

Ohhh boy, nevermind. Clearly we are not going to make a connection here.

[bigruss]

Ohhh boy, nevermind. Clearly we are not going to make a connection here.

It's a valid point, you said both player's dominated, which is simply not true.

 

If you think an .850 OPS is dominating everything you said should be taken with a grain of salt.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

It's a valid point, you said both player's dominated, which is simply not true.

 

If you think an .850 OPS is dominating everything you said should be taken with a grain of salt.

How Mike Stanton is in this argument at all makes no sense to me. And the fact that dominance has to be tied to one person instead being a blanket adjective is just laughable to me. Semantics, semantics, semantics.

[bigruss]

How Mike Stanton is in this argument at all makes no sense to me. And the fact that dominance has to be tied to one person instead being a blanket adjective is just laughable to me. Semantics, semantics, semantics.

J4L brought him up, and you said that both him and Morel dominated, and yes blanketing both of them into the same category is laughable.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

J4L brought him up, and you said that both him and Morel dominated, and yes blanketing both of them into the same category is laughable.

 

Only because you are hung up on the choice of word and the connotation you are giving it. That's why I decided to say "successful" so you would stop focusing on the adjective and more about the fact that Morel continued his offensive "insert whatever adjective helps bigruss sleep at night" from the AFL to the next season. That's the whole idea here, yet we have wasted a page or so because you don't like the adjective used.

[southsider2k5]

It's a valid point, you said both player's dominated, which is simply not true.

 

If you think an .850 OPS is dominating everything you said should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

There is more to a player than his OPS.

[bigruss]

There is more to a player than his OPS.

True, but it tells alot about a player.

[bigruss]

Only because you are hung up on the choice of word and the connotation you are giving it. That's why I decided to say "successful" so you would stop focusing on the adjective and more about the fact that Morel continued his offensive "insert whatever adjective helps bigruss sleep at night" from the AFL to the next season. That's the whole idea here, yet we have wasted a page or so because you don't like the adjective used.

Because you still won't admit that it was a bad choice of words? Or that you haven't defended your use of it besides stating "semantics." So when you were questioned how you could label both performances as "dominant" you just said "semantics," and that adds a whole lot to the conversation.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Because you still won't admit that it was a bad choice of words? Or that you haven't defended your use of it besides stating "semantics." So when you were questioned how you could label both performances as "dominant" you just said "semantics," and that adds a whole lot to the conversation.

 

What does it matter the word that is used? It's a subjective word that can mean completely different things to different people. It's not a black and white word. It's all to the discretion of the person using it.

 

How about this, you tell me what word you want me to use to describe Morel's "success" last year, and I'll make the same point I've made all along, but with your adjective so you won't be so distracted.

[southsider2k5]

True, but it tells alot about a player.

 

Its like judging a player solely on his ERA.

[bigruss]

What does it matter the word that is used? It's a subjective word that can mean completely different things to different people. It's not a black and white word. It's all to the discretion of the person using it.

 

How about this, you tell me what word you want me to use to describe Morel's "success" last year, and I'll make the same point I've made all along, but with your adjective so you won't be so distracted.

Like I said, if you can't distinguish the difference between a dominant season (Pujols) and a good season (Rios) than it's obvious that you can't evaluate a player or their performance accurately.

 

Is it subjective? Sure, you can have your opinion, but if you stated that Rios was dominant this season you will be laughed at.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Like I said, if you can't distinguish the difference between a dominant season (Pujols) and a good season (Rios) than it's obvious that you can't evaluate a player or their performance accurately.

 

Is it subjective? Sure, you can have your opinion, but if you stated that Rios was dominant this season you will be laughed at.

 

How about this, you tell me what word you want me to use to describe Morel's "success" last year, and I'll make the same point I've made all along, but with your adjective so you won't be so distracted.

[bigruss]

Its like judging a player solely on his ERA.

In his dominant season, Morel had a 27:86 BB:K ratio, or .314 BB per K.

 

That's pretty terrible.

[bigruss]

How about this, you tell me what word you want me to use to describe Morel's "success" last year, and I'll make the same point I've made all along, but with your adjective so you won't be so distracted.

Morel had a good season, now that you have another adjective besides "dominant" let's move on.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Morel had a good season, now that you have another adjective besides "dominant" let's move on.

 

Ok...now back my point like 3 pages ago.....

 

 

 

 

 

And Brent Morel would like to kindly point out how he won the batting title there last year, and went on to have a "good" season in the minors this year.

[bigruss]

In his dominant season, Morel had a 27:86 BB:K ratio, or .314 BB per K.

 

That's pretty terrible.

 

 

Ok...now back my point like 3 pages ago.....

 

 

 

 

 

And Brent Morel would like to kindly point out how he won the batting title there last year, and went on to have a "good" season in the minors this year.

I would like to kindly point out that Morel had the same BB:K ratio as Juan Uribe has had

 

Morel: 0.31395348837209302325581395348837

 

Uribe: 0.31428571428571428571428571428571

[gatnom]

I think some people are going to be disappointed if/when Morel starts playing in the majors for us.

[southsider2k5]

In his dominant season, Morel had a 27:86 BB:K ratio, or .314 BB per K.

 

That's pretty terrible.

 

It still neglects the fact that Morel is already a plus defender at 3B for a team that thrives when it gets good defense.

[bigruss]

It still neglects the fact that Morel is already a plus defender at 3B for a team that thrives when it gets good defense.

Okay Brian Anderson.

[southsider2k5]

Okay Brian Anderson.

 

Great reply. And until games start getting played on the computer, it is worth nothing.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Ok...now back my point like 3 pages ago.....

 

 

 

 

 

And Brent Morel would like to kindly point out how he won the batting title there last year, and went on to have a "good" season in the minors this year.

u can't possibly be this hard-headed. You don't use the word dominant for a Brent Morel. He had a solid season. That's it. You're getting all confrontational for no reason. Just admit you used the wrong word and move on.

[bigruss]

Great reply. And until games start getting played on the computer, it is worth nothing.

Even better reply, just disregard statistics. Of course games need to be played, best way to prepare for it is to have a balance between scouting and statistical production. Morel has good to great defense and that shouldnt be discounted, but his bat could kill an already weak offense (lots of time left in the offseason to fix this still). If not, hello Mariners.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

u can't possibly be this hard-headed. You don't use the word dominant for a Brent Morel. He had a solid season. That's it. You're getting all confrontational for no reason. Just admit you used the wrong word and move on.

 

I'm using "good" now so you ladies can sleep at night. K, thanks.

[southsider2k5]

Even better reply, just disregard statistics. Of course games need to be played, best way to prepare for it is to have a balance between scouting and statistical production. Morel has good to great defense and that shouldnt be discounted, but his bat could kill an already weak offense (lots of time left in the offseason to fix this still). If not, hello Mariners.

 

I never disregarded his offense. I'm also not the one using only offensive stats to try to justify his worth, or lack there of.