John Danks trade ideas

[Bruce_Blixton]

I know that the idea of trading John Danks isn't the most popular idea, but from a business perspective it's probably a good time into "selling high" on Danks before he inevitably leaves for an ungodly paycheck in a couple years. (a paycheck we'll never match)

 

I came up with this trade scenario the other day and wondered what people think of it:

 

White Sox trade:

John Danks

Jordan Danks

 

Rangers trade:

Julio Borbon

Engel Beltre

Jurrickson Profar

Wilmer Font

 

Pros for Texas: If the Rangers make it to the World Series and win it and with the Astros wasting away, they'll have the entire the entire state of Texas as their fan base and the revenue increase that should come with it. Couple that with what appears to be a highly motivated and aggressive new ownership group headed by Nolan Ryan, chances are they'll be making some moves this offseason to stay atop the AL. This means they probably wouldn't be too shy to take a chance on a young lefty beating on the door of free agency like Danks, especially if Cliff Lee bolts for New York. They'll need to find a viable replacement and John Danks under Greg Maddux and Nolan Ryan's tutelage might do the trick. Plus, the Rangers might get a hometown discount from Danks if they were to try to extend him.

 

Many have written Jordan Danks off and with the current state of our minor league development system I have too, but that doesn't mean it's too late for him. With the Rangers track record with cultivating and nurturing young hitting talent, Jordan could start tapping into the potential everyone's been talking about for years.

 

Pros for the Sox: Acquiring a legitimate top-of-the-order type guy in Borbon would allow us to move Pierre to the 9 hole where he'd be a better fit and add a nice up-tempo pace to the lead-off spot again. I really feel like he's on the cusp of breaking out if given the chance and with Andrus holding down lead-off and their crowded outfield, it doesn't appear that the Rangers can give him that chance next season.

 

Engel Beltre has Matt Kemp type ability and similar character issues as well, there's no doubt that he could be a legit 20/20 guy, maybe even 30/30 if he puts it all together. He'd add an exciting dynamic to our minor league outfield depth to go along with Jared Mitchell.

 

Wilmer Font is a big, young right-hander that has shown flashes of brilliance but hasn't put it all together yet. I have a lot of trust with our pitching development guys in the minors, they always seem to be able to get the players to pitch above their ability.

 

Jurrickson Profar would be the real centerpiece for this deal though, 17 year old switch-hitting SS that was already named the Northwest League's top prospect in just his first professional season. I know that they refused to include Profar in the Cliff Lee deal, but Danks wouldn't be a half-season rental like Lee.

 

Sorry for the long-winded post, just wanted to make sure I backed my idea up with some logical arguments rather than fling s*** at a wall.

[kapkomet]

So, they will trade for a guy that they let go of a few years ago and his brother? Hehe.

 

For some reason, I don't think the Rangers are going to trade anything with the Sox... seeing as how they get fleeced every time. But that's just my lack of analysis...

[lostfan]

So, they will trade for a guy that they let go of a few years ago and his brother? Hehe.

 

For some reason, I don't think the Rangers are going to trade anything with the Sox... seeing as how they get fleeced every time. But that's just my lack of analysis...

In fairness I'm sure they are kicking themselves in the ass for that trade.

[nitetrain8601]

John Danks for a bag of balls.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Josh Hamilton for volquez. Elvis andrus and neftali feliz for a guy they were gonna lose to free agency. Cliff lee for smoak. One win from a pennant. Safe to say the rangers are over losing danks.

[witesoxfan]

Not sure why the Rangers would give up that much when they just announced today that they are going to try their absolute hardest to resign Cliff Lee and that they are going to bring a very legitimate offer to the table. Considering they amount of cash flow coming into the organization right now, it's not unfathomable to believe that they will be able to resign him.

[rockren]

Not sure why the Rangers would give up that much when they just announced today that they are going to try their absolute hardest to resign Cliff Lee and that they are going to bring a very legitimate offer to the table. Considering they amount of cash flow coming into the organization right now, it's not unfathomable to believe that they will be able to resign him.

 

Yeah, right. Just like the Brewers went all out to bring CC back.

 

If the Yankees want Lee (which they do) they'll get him.

Edited October 21, 2010 by rockren

[witesoxfan]

The Brewers have always had jacks*** for funds. The Rangers are under completely new ownership and just signed a $3 billion TV deal that will apparently guarantee them like $150 million before each season. On top of that, they are going to get like a $70-80 million signing bonus from the contract which they will be able to use on personnel. The Brewers didn't exactly have that.

 

I say, if you don't think the Rangers can resign Cliff Lee, then you're crazy.

[rockren]

I would do this deal if I were the WSox....probably the Rangers, too (as my above post shows I fully expect Lee to bolt).

 

However, I'd find a way to move MB and deal with Danks in arbitration. I know this has been mentioned in another thread, but with the Cardinals bringing back La Russa for another year...you can't tell me Rasmus for MB/Danks2 isn't appealing to them. If the WSox had to pick up 2-4 mil of MB's final year on his contract...I'm guessing the WSox would be fine with that considering they just gave away $4mil to the Dodgers without caring. Besides, freeing up 10-14 mil makes it easier for the WSox to chase Crawford next year along with Dunn.

 

I see Rasmus getting moved with the rift between he and Pujols. You could certainly argue Rasmus being moved for more than MB...like Greinke per say.

Edited October 21, 2010 by rockren

[Bruce_Blixton]

Not sure why the Rangers would give up that much when they just announced today that they are going to try their absolute hardest to resign Cliff Lee and that they are going to bring a very legitimate offer to the table. Considering they amount of cash flow coming into the organization right now, it's not unfathomable to believe that they will be able to resign him.

 

True, the Rangers will see a revenue increase regardless of how they finish the postseason, but as rockren pointed out, when it comes to the free agent market, it's the Yankees world and the rest of us are just living in it. The smart money would try to target someone like Danks to keep costs low next season while collecting all that added revenue.

[rockren]

The Brewers have always had jacks*** for funds. The Rangers are under completely new ownership and just signed a $3 billion TV deal that will apparently guarantee them like $150 million before each season. On top of that, they are going to get like a $70-80 million signing bonus from the contract which they will be able to use on personnel. The Brewers didn't exactly have that.

 

I say, if you don't think the Rangers can resign Cliff Lee, then you're crazy.

 

The Brewers draw 30,000 fans a night and have more money than you might think. They have great revenue from Miller Park and do quite well in the state of Wisconsin. I have many contacts in sports marketing and the Brewers aren't the Packers, but they've gained ground. They've just pissed so much money away on guys like Wolf, Suppan, Hall, Gagne...they may as well have offered CC $150 mil. Oh wait...the Yankees gave him $160 mil. The Yankees will make the Rangers irrelevant in a hurry the same way.

 

I also don't buy the Rangers having a ton of money...the only reason Nolan Ryan and his partners won that bidding is because MLB wanted nothing to do with Cuban. The Yanks won't be outbid by that outfit...not in a million years.

[rockren]

True, the Rangers will see a revenue increase regardless of how they finish the postseason, but as rockren pointed out, when it comes to the free agent market, it's the Yankees world and the rest of us are just living in it. The smart money would try to target someone like Danks to keep costs low next season while collecting all that added revenue.

 

I'm certainly not arguing the increase they'll see in revenue...I also believe they'll be very aggressive in trying to resign Lee. But as you said, no way the Yanks are outbid for his services.

[witesoxfan]

The Brewers draw 30,000 fans a night and have more money than you might think. They have great revenue from Miller Park and do quite well in the state of Wisconsin. I have many contacts in sports marketing and the Brewers aren't the Packers, but they've gained ground. They've just pissed so much money away on guys like Wolf, Suppan, Hall, Gagne...they may as well have offered CC $150 mil. Oh wait...the Yankees gave him $160 mil. The Yankees will make the Rangers irrelevant in a hurry the same way.

 

I also don't buy the Rangers having a ton of money...the only reason Nolan Ryan and his partners won that bidding is because MLB wanted nothing to do with Cuban. The Yanks won't be outbid by that outfit...not in a million years.

 

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/09/why-the-r...-matters-35982/

 

The Rangers have the first shot at signing Cliff Lee, and even though it would make sense for him to test free agency, they may ultimately overwhelm him to the point where he can't say no. $70-80 million a year plus an $80 million signing bonus...that gives the Rangers an influx of approximately $150 million this year towards resigning players. I would say that the Rangers are the prohibitive favorites to sign him, with the Yankees coming in right behind them.

 

Beyond that, the Brewers only offered Sabathia $100 million. That's a hell of a lot different than $161 million, and any advisor Sabathia may have had would have told him to reject that offer and go on the free agent market.

[rockren]

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/09/why-the-r...-matters-35982/

 

The Rangers have the first shot at signing Cliff Lee, and even though it would make sense for him to test free agency, they may ultimately overwhelm him to the point where he can't say no. $70-80 million a year plus an $80 million signing bonus...that gives the Rangers an influx of approximately $150 million this year towards resigning players. I would say that the Rangers are the prohibitive favorites to sign him, with the Yankees coming in right behind them.

 

Beyond that, the Brewers only offered Sabathia $100 million. That's a hell of a lot different than $161 million, and any advisor Sabathia may have had would have told him to reject that offer and go on the free agent market.

 

It is unknown what the Brewers offered Sabathia, but it's believed to be in that $100-$120 million range.

 

Regardless, if the Phillies couldn't have worked out a deal with Lee after last season....I can't imagine he's "overwhelmed" and doesn't test FA with the Yankees always willing to up the ante on anyone no matter what.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Send Danksy to STL for Rasmus. Fill in other players where needed.

[witesoxfan]

It is unknown what the Brewers offered Sabathia, but it's believed to be in that $100-$120 million range.

 

Regardless, if the Phillies couldn't have worked out a deal with Lee after last season....I can't imagine he's "overwhelmed" and doesn't test FA with the Yankees always willing to up the ante on anyone no matter what.

 

We'll just have to see how it plays out, because this argument is kind of pointless. Yes, the Yankees have a lot of money and will almost certainly make an offer when he hits the market, and yes, the Rangers have a lot of money and want to resign him, and yes, both teams could sign him or both teams could not.

 

Send Danksy to STL for Rasmus. Fill in other players where needed.

 

The Cardinals have absolutely no need for a starting pitcher considering they have Carpenter, Wainwright, and Garcia all under contract and need to save any and all the money they can to put together an offer for Pujols following the 2011 season. At this point in time, the Cardinals would gladly take 2 WAR from Colby Rasmus instead of 4 WAR from John Danks if it saves them $7 million which they can put towards a long-term contract extension for Albert Pujols.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

The Cardinals have absolutely no need for a starting pitcher considering they have Carpenter, Wainwright, and Garcia all under contract and need to save any and all the money they can to put together an offer for Pujols following the 2011 season. At this point in time, the Cardinals would gladly take 2 WAR from Colby Rasmus instead of 4 WAR from John Danks if it saves them $7 million which they can put towards a long-term contract extension for Albert Pujols.

 

Why you gotta make things complicated? We need an OF, they would like to get rid of Rasmus. Just agree and we can move on, and then you can buy me a French Dip at Portillos.

[witesoxfan]

Why you gotta make things complicated? We need an OF, they would like to get rid of Rasmus. Just agree and we can move on, and then you can buy me a French Dip at Portillos.

 

I don't think they would like to get rid of Rasmus so much as Rasmus himself was tired of being mismanaged by Tony LaRussa.

[chisoxt]

I also don't buy the Rangers having a ton of money...the only reason Nolan Ryan and his partners won that bidding is because MLB wanted nothing to do with Cuban. The Yanks won't be outbid by that outfit...not in a million years.

The Rangers just inked a 20 year $3 billion TV deal with Fox Sports Southwest. You were saying something about not having enough money?

Edited October 21, 2010 by chisoxt

[Harry Chappas]

Aren't the Texas v. NY taxes vastly different?

[Steve9347]

My idea is to not trade him.

[3E8]

Aren't the Texas v. NY taxes vastly different?

Speaking as a Texas resident, we have zero state tax

[Dick Allen]

The Sox need to trade everyone who only have 2 or less years left on their contract. The team should consist of young players and guys with at least 3 years left on their contracts because its really not about having the best team, its about maximizing trade value. The White Sox would not be better with Colby Rasmus instead of John Danks.

 

I suppose if this was Cardstalk, Pujols should be out the door.

[Steve9347]

I suppose if this was Cardstalk, Pujols should be out the door.

Well you're just being silly comparing anything in the White Sox' situation (or in this case the value of John Danks) to Albert f***ing Pujols.

[Dick Allen]

Well you're just being silly comparing anything in the White Sox' situation (or in this case the value of John Danks) to Albert f***ing Pujols.

I'm not being silly at all. The reason people want him traded is he has 2 years left under team control. Obviously he's not as valuable as Pujols, but he's about as valuable of a White Sox as anyone. Trading him would be a mistake unless there is some sort of injury concern. On this board people are saying Buehrle is appropriately paid $14 million because he gives you 200 innings. Danks gives you a better 200 innings, so he's worth a lot more than his arb number, yet, for some reason people want to trade him.