John Danks trade ideas

[2nd_city_saint787]

Hey Dick what happens when you cant sign 2 big bats in FA then would you agree thank Danks should be traded for a big bat??? This teams needs 2 middle of the order bats (4 and 5 hitters) and with out em your gonna have a offence no better than last year and you saw what the sox did with that offence and that pitching staff. Theyre trying to get better not stay the same. Garcia is Ozzies boy (arent they related?) and i expect him to come back hes a good 5th starter, if someone gets hurt you still have Sale waiting in the wings.

 

lemme put it this way....

 

assuming garcia come back you have Danks being replaced by Jackson and Hudson being replaced by Sale.

 

Peavy

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

Garcia

Hudson (as an injury replacement)

 

With last years (or this year whatever you wanna call it)

 

or

 

Peavy

Buehrle

Floyd

Jackson

Garcia

Sale

 

With a better offence than last year.

 

Which sounds better???

 

 

Jackson is not that big of a drop off from Danks, if at all.

 

 

 

 

[Rowand44]

Jackson is not that big of a drop off from Danks, if at all.

Eh? Until Edwin can prove to be somewhat consistent I'd say it's a pretty big drop off. We have no f***in clue what we'd get from Edwin through a full year.

[southsider2k5]

I'm actually impressed with the thought from you Blixton. I didn't think many here knew about Engel Beltre yet alone Profar

and Font. (who I didn't even know) You should post more often in the minor league thread on the future sox board. Always good to have a legitimate poster who knows about prospects and evaluations. Wouldn't mind knowing if theres any guys in the minors who know/played with or against.

 

And other than DA, I've been very adamant on trading Danks. I'd rather give up Floyd or Buehrle. That's how highly I think of him.

 

We wouldn't get anything for Buehrle. Floyd would bring a smaller return and he is locked up for a longer period of time.

[Dick Allen]

Hey Dick what happens when you cant sign 2 big bats in FA then would you agree thank Danks should be traded for a big bat??? This teams needs 2 middle of the order bats (4 and 5 hitters) and with out em your gonna have a offence no better than last year and you saw what the sox did with that offence and that pitching staff. Theyre trying to get better not stay the same. Garcia is Ozzies boy (arent they related?) and i expect him to come back hes a good 5th starter, if someone gets hurt you still have Sale waiting in the wings.

 

lemme put it this way....

 

assuming garcia come back you have Danks being replaced by Jackson and Hudson being replaced by Sale.

 

Peavy

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

Garcia

Hudson (as an injury replacement)

 

With last years (or this year whatever you wanna call it)

 

or

 

Peavy

Buehrle

Floyd

Jackson

Garcia

Sale

 

With a better offence than last year.

 

Which sounds better???

 

 

Jackson is not that big of a drop off from Danks, if at all.

 

There is not one person on this board who would really think the Sox rotation subtracting Danks is anywhere near as strong as it is with him. Look at the 6 you have penciled in. Peavy, huge question mark. Garcia isn't even signed and even if he does, huge question mark, Sale-------huge question mark in a rotation. Jackson looks pretty solid but his history suggests he's no sure thing. Buerhle will do what Buerhle does. Floyd hasn't been solid for more than 2 months in each of the past 2 seasons and ended the season hurt with a sore shoulder. You are going to need Jackson and Danks both to be big.

 

If you are going to go into a re building mode, fine, trade Danks, but if you truly are trying to win a championship, you're only fooling yourself dealing him, at least for what has been discussed on this board. If a team is willing to go over the top, give you some offense and a real good pitcher, then its plausable.There is no way you do what the original poster suggested and Danks as part of a package for Colby Rasmus? Ridiculous.

[NorthSideSox72]

The Sox have the enviable position of having 6 (without Garcia, or with him but Peavy not ready) major league caliber starters in the mix for 2011. If they do sign Garcia, that could be 7. Quality starting pitching is undoubtedly the most valuable asset in trade, in major league baseball. It would be stupid not to use that, to improve the glaring need for a quality bat.

 

But interestingly, the Sox don't have a true #1 Ace type starter (unless Peavy is back to his usual form).

 

So, if I'm KW, I'm sending out the word... I am trading one starting pitcher of the Danks/Floyd/Buehrle/Jackson crowd, in order to get a serious bat. I will take the best value proposition offer I can get. Submit your bids now.

 

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

Eh? Until Edwin can prove to be somewhat consistent I'd say it's a pretty big drop off. We have no f***in clue what we'd get from Edwin through a full year.

 

The same would need to be said, probably tenfold, for Sale. The one good half-year out of the pen doesn't even mean he'll see the same success in a relief role next year- let alone thrive as a starter.

Edited October 22, 2010 by Swingandalongonetoleft

[Balta1701]

The same would need to be said, probably tenfold, for Sale. The one good half-year out of the pen doesn't even mean he'll see the same success in a relief role next year- let alone thrive as a starter.

However...at some point, we're going to have to try him there, and in the big leagues. It's the only way we'll know. We could try him there in the minors next year, but let's be honest, they're not going to hit him in AAA if he brings anything to the table like what he brought to the bigs this year.

 

That's the catch 22 with young guys. They're cheap and therefore necessary, but they're no where near a sure thing, you don't know what you're going to get unless you try, and if you don't try your team is either going to get really expensive or break apart in FA.

[Bruce_Blixton]

I'm actually impressed with the thought from you Blixton. I didn't think many here knew about Engel Beltre yet alone Profar

and Font. (who I didn't even know) You should post more often in the minor league thread on the future sox board. Always good to have a legitimate poster who knows about prospects and evaluations. Wouldn't mind knowing if theres any guys in the minors who know/played with or against.

 

And other than DA, I've been very adamant on trading Danks. I'd rather give up Floyd or Buehrle. That's how highly I think of him.

 

 

Thank you good sir, I used to post over at WSI but I found it very cliquish over there. If someone disagreed with anything you said you were immediately berated as stupid and shut down. The posters over here seem a lot more open-minded, even the disagreements are well debated, so thanks everyone!

[Bruce_Blixton]

There is not one person on this board who would really think the Sox rotation subtracting Danks is anywhere near as strong as it is with him. Look at the 6 you have penciled in. Peavy, huge question mark. Garcia isn't even signed and even if he does, huge question mark, Sale-------huge question mark in a rotation. Jackson looks pretty solid but his history suggests he's no sure thing. Buerhle will do what Buerhle does. Floyd hasn't been solid for more than 2 months in each of the past 2 seasons and ended the season hurt with a sore shoulder. You are going to need Jackson and Danks both to be big.

 

If you are going to go into a re building mode, fine, trade Danks, but if you truly are trying to win a championship, you're only fooling yourself dealing him, at least for what has been discussed on this board. If a team is willing to go over the top, give you some offense and a real good pitcher, then its plausable.There is no way you do what the original poster suggested and Danks as part of a package for Colby Rasmus? Ridiculous.

 

I think this is the fundamental problem with the organization, we're constantly in a desperate "win now" mentality so we're constantly chasing our own tail to get to the top. We're trying to win on a budget without a legitimate farm system which is a recipe for failure. Even the Yankees have a solid farm system that blows ours away. The deal I suggested in the original post was an effort to add some young, athletically dynamic talent to our farm system, especially up the middle at SS and CF. I would love to hear anyone else's proposals for trading Danks, having a spirited discussion about the future of the Sox is always a good time!

[2nd_city_saint787]

There is not one person on this board who would really think the Sox rotation subtracting Danks is anywhere near as strong as it is with him. Look at the 6 you have penciled in. Peavy, huge question mark. Garcia isn't even signed and even if he does, huge question mark, Sale-------huge question mark in a rotation. Jackson looks pretty solid but his history suggests he's no sure thing. Buerhle will do what Buerhle does. Floyd hasn't been solid for more than 2 months in each of the past 2 seasons and ended the season hurt with a sore shoulder. You are going to need Jackson and Danks both to be big.

 

If you are going to go into a re building mode, fine, trade Danks, but if you truly are trying to win a championship, you're only fooling yourself dealing him, at least for what has been discussed on this board. If a team is willing to go over the top, give you some offense and a real good pitcher, then its plausable.There is no way you do what the original poster suggested and Danks as part of a package for Colby Rasmus? Ridiculous.

 

 

Edwin Jackson had a better 09 campaign than JD, i know hes been inconsistent and who knows what hes gonna bring to the table next year but the last 2 years when in the AL hes had better numbers than Danks.

 

09 numbers

 

Danks vs Jackson

 

W/L 13-11 vs 13-9

ERA 3.77 vs 3.62

WHIP 1.28 vs 1.26

Ks 149 vs 161

BB 73 vs 70

 

Pretty damn even with Jackson winning every category. in 44 starts in the AL the last year and a half Jackson is 17-11. Im not saying the staff IS better or the same with jackson over danks but if Jax pitches like he did the last 2 years in the AL then the staff wont skip a beat when compared to last years and you have a better offence.

 

I know youre saying that we need both Danks and Jackson to do big things but we need some O on this team and were gonna have to sacrifice from our strong suit to get it

 

 

Lemme ask the 1st question from my previous post again. If we dont sign 2 middle of the order bats in FA do you still not wanna trade DAnks? If the answer is still no arent we gonna have the same problems we had this past year?

 

[Dick Allen]

Edwin Jackson had a better 09 campaign than JD, i know hes been inconsistent and who knows what hes gonna bring to the table next year but the last 2 years when in the AL hes had better numbers than Danks.

 

09 numbers

 

Danks vs Jackson

 

W/L 13-11 vs 13-9

ERA 3.77 vs 3.62

WHIP 1.28 vs 1.26

Ks 149 vs 161

BB 73 vs 70

 

Pretty damn even with Jackson winning every category. in 44 starts in the AL the last year and a half Jackson is 17-11. Im not saying the staff IS better or the same with jackson over danks but if Jax pitches like he did the last 2 years in the AL then the staff wont skip a beat when compared to last years and you have a better offence.

 

I know youre saying that we need both Danks and Jackson to do big things but we need some O on this team and were gonna have to sacrifice from our strong suit to get it

 

 

Lemme ask the 1st question from my previous post again. If we dont sign 2 middle of the order bats in FA do you still not wanna trade DAnks? If the answer is still no arent we gonna have the same problems we had this past year?

If Edwin Jackson is better than Danks, and makes more money and is signed for a shorter period of time, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

Considering each pitcher on the Sox staff, you can't trade Sale, the last pitcher I would trade is Danks, unless its a can't say no deal, of which, everyone is available. I haven't seen one of those deals proposed for Danks, and if you don't get a pitcher you can plug into the rotation who should be pretty effective for him as part of the package, it isn't going to work either. Peavy might come back 100%. Edwin Jackson might pitch as well as he pitched with the Sox for the entire 2011 season, Sale might be able to give you 175 innings, Floyd might put more than 1/3 of a good season together. Garcia might give you a year like 2010 where he's a pretty good #5. Buerhle is about as consistent as they come and he'll probably be what he usually is, but maybe he turns into Jaime Moyer and wins 20. I say the chances of all that happening are about the same as SS2K5 starting a fire KW thread. Everyone is talking budget when discussing Danks and making Garcia almost a lock to return. What do you think Freddy is going to command in the open market? Its going to be more than he made in 2010. Do you really want to give him that money?

Edited October 22, 2010 by Dick Allen

[WHITESOXRANDY]

Here's an idea - don't trade him.

 

However, if Kenny were to trade him he wouldn't do so for a handful of prospects. Kenny hates prospects. He's much more likely to trade him for a couple of veterans.

 

How about this? The Danks brothers to Milwaukee for Fielder and Corey Hart !

 

I wouldn't do it because I'm not a fan of Fielder and I'd like to keep John Danks.

[2nd_city_saint787]

If Edwin Jackson is better than Danks, and makes more money and is signed for a shorter period of time, why wouldn't you want to trade him?

Considering each pitcher on the Sox staff, you can't trade Sale, the last pitcher I would trade is Danks, unless its a can't say no deal, of which, everyone is available. I haven't seen one of those deals proposed for Danks, and if you don't get a pitcher you can plug into the rotation who should be pretty effective for him as part of the package, it isn't going to work either. Peavy might come back 100%. Edwin Jackson might pitch as well as he pitched with the Sox for the entire 2011 season, Sale might be able to give you 175 innings, Floyd might put more than 1/3 of a good season together. Garcia might give you a year like 2010 where he's a pretty good #5. Buerhle is about as consistent as they come and he'll probably be what he usually is, but maybe he turns into Jaime Moyer and wins 20. I say the chances of all that happening are about the same as SS2K5 starting a fire KW thread. Everyone is talking budget when discussing Danks and making Garcia almost a lock to return. What do you think Freddy is going to command in the open market? Its going to be more than he made in 2010. Do you really want to give him that money?

 

 

I'm not saying is better persay but his numbers were better last year so i wouldnt say theres a huge drop off from last years staff if any at all. You dont trade Ejax because he makes too much money, you wont get as good a return/wont get a middle of the order talent. Danks is still cheap for 2 years so a team would be more willing to give up talent for him.

 

Freddy is gonna make less than half what danks is gonna make, i think freddy wants to stay in chicago and stay with ozzie so hes gonna take a discount to stay here, at least in my opinion i could be wrong.

 

but this too goes back to free agency, if freddy comes back or some other serviceable 5th starter is signed and you dont sign 2 middle of the lineup bats then you trade Danks to get that middle of the order bat..... If you get your 2 middle of the lineup bats in FA then sure lets keep Danks.

 

right now before FA we have a 3-4-5 of what Rios-Q-Viciedo??? lets say we get PK, Dunn, or Werth, the best bats out there then you have Rios-PK-Q, howd that lineup workout with the staff we have??? I dont know about the budget but im not quite sure you cant get an "A" level and a B level prospect so then youre stuck with two B level guys, like you said before on another thread Kubel and Lee. Now thats not too bad but does it make the team better?? not to sure about that...... Kennys plan should be to get a 4 or 5 hitter in FA, probably a 4 as you go hard after PK, Dunn, or Werth, then trade Danks for whichever you didnt get in FA, you should be able to get a middle of the order bat for DAnks, and hes the only one that will give you that.

 

 

In conclusion, how bout we wait till FA is over then bring this back up....if we get our 2 bats, and i mean middle of hte order bats, 4-5 hitters) then danks stays. If not Danks goes .

[greg775]

I'd hold onto Danks.

If you have to trade a starter, try to get somebody to overpay for Buehrle.

My one beef about Kenny is we never get ANYBODY to overpay in a trade IMO at least.

[witesoxfan]

I'd hold onto Danks.

If you have to trade a starter, try to get somebody to overpay for Buehrle.

My one beef about Kenny is we never get ANYBODY to overpay in a trade IMO at least.

 

-You don't want to trade Danks because he's a great starter, yet the White Sox acquired him, along with Nick Masset, for Brandon McCarthy (with fillers on both sides).

-The White Sox acquired Gavin Floyd, who you would agree is a pretty good starting pitcher, for Freddy Garcia; Freddy Garcia made 11 starts with the Phillies and has been injured and mediocre since he was traded.

-Matt Thornton looked like a hard throwing lefty with absolutely no control who was out of options when Williams traded Joe Borchard for him, who looked like a power hitting left handed bat with absolutely no way to hit for good contract who was also out of options.

[greg775]

Touche.

Those were good KW trades.

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

Touche.

Those were good KW trades.

 

And they were 3-5 years ago. And KW has been given his just due. But he's been just as bad the last three years. And he deserves just as much criticism.

[beck72]

I'd hold onto Danks.

If you have to trade a starter, try to get somebody to overpay for Buehrle.

My one beef about Kenny is we never get ANYBODY to overpay in a trade IMO at least.

The Yanks prob. would if Mark would waive his NTC.

[SkokieSox]

I'd hold onto Danks.

If you have to trade a starter, try to get somebody to overpay for Buehrle.

My one beef about Kenny is we never get ANYBODY to overpay in a trade IMO at least.

 

Which is probably one of the reasons he's able to make as many deals as he does. I mean that in a positive way.

[rockren]

The Yanks prob. would if Mark would waive his NTC.

 

They'll never offer a ton of prospects in a trade when they just plan on signing Cliff Lee.

 

IF (big if considering I'd give the Yanks a 99% chance to sign Lee) then maybe. But don't forget the Johan sweeps years ago considering they were unwilling to come anywhere near blowing the Twins away for him.

 

IF (another big if) KW were even considering moving MB this off-season...my guess is he would have to be "bowled over" (a term I've heard KW use several times in the past).

[Balta1701]

They'll never offer a ton of prospects in a trade when they just plan on signing Cliff Lee.

 

IF (big if considering I'd give the Yanks a 99% chance to sign Lee) then maybe. But don't forget the Johan sweeps years ago considering they were unwilling to come anywhere near blowing the Twins away for him.

 

IF (another big if) KW were even considering moving MB this off-season...my guess is he would have to be "bowled over" (a term I've heard KW use several times in the past).

If the Yankees trade for a starter...they've been linked occasionally to Greinke as well. Yeah there's the whole psychological thing, but the Yankees have his brother in their org as well.

[Rowand44]

And they were 3-5 years ago. And KW has been given his just due. But he's been just as bad the last three years. And he deserves just as much criticism.

And you by yourself have given him enough criticism the last few weeks for the rest of us.

 

Damn dude, you know you're one of my favorite posters on this site but it really seems like Kenny killed a family member of yours or something.

[Jordan4life_2007]

And you by yourself have given him enough criticism the last few weeks for the rest of us.

 

Damn dude, you know you're one of my favorite posters on this site but it really seems like Kenny killed a family member of yours or something.

 

It's not really me. It's my evil twin Zordan4life.

[greg775]

If the Yankees trade for a starter...they've been linked occasionally to Greinke as well. Yeah there's the whole psychological thing, but the Yankees have his brother in their org as well.

 

I know Greinke was a minor distraction to the Royals this year in ripping the team a couple times and expressing his frustration, but if NY gets him, I would expect Zack to retire midway through the season. He already is a millionaire and has a severe problem mentally. Pitching in NY would likely throw him over the edge again. He credited the Royals for being patient with him during his recovery. He simply can't emotionally pitch in New York.

It would be cruel to send Zack to the NY media market. zack should have shut up this year because for the betterment of himself emotionally he's in a perfect place with very little media/pressure.

 

 

[greg775]

Like somebody said, I'd look and see if we can simply improve our team via free agency, if not make one blockbuster.

 

Trade Mark Buehrle, Juan Pierre and either Teahen/Linebrink to the Cardinals or Yankees.

We have to find a way to dump Pierre and Teahen/Linebrink and packaging them with Mark may be the only way to dump those buzzkill players. Juan would be OK I guess only if Oz bats him ninth.

Make a team with money take some of our buzzkill with a name player like Mark. Trading for Buehrle in the offseason would be a major headline grabber for the Cardinals/Yankees/Mets/Bosox.

 

I love Mark and wouldn't mind keeping him, but we can probably afford to trade a starter.

If not Mark, then Jackson.

Edited October 30, 2010 by greg775