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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:10 PM)
I like it. I don't think the Sox would go into the season with a catching tandem of Flowers/Castro, so I wonder what this means for Tyler.

 

Always good to have Thornton in the bullpen. Good luck to Torres.

 

 

I bet Flowers and Viciedo are both used as trade bait to fill in some of the holes.

 

 

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QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:35 PM)
I bet Flowers and Viciedo are both used as trade bait to fill in some of the holes.

What value does Flowers have left to other teams?

 

Why trade the one good, young bat that you have ready to be in the majors now?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:46 PM)
You have to think of this like KW.

 

"To get a better bat that can help me more right now".

If Dayan is the centerpiece in getting a 25ish yr old, reasonably expensive stud than sure, by all means go for it.

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QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:56 PM)
That means he'll never be sick which means he won't need a day off!

 

Them re-signing Casto can only be bad. Either they're resigning AJ as the starter, or Castro will be the starter.

Or he's a cheap, and productive back up catcher.

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QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:54 PM)
Because he has a cement glove and can't catch a cold??

So maybe he isn't a gold glove 3b (we all knew that going in), but he looks like he could be a competent 1b with plus power, you don't just trade that away especially when he's cost controlled unless you get a VERY good package in return.

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QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 02:35 PM)
I bet Flowers and Viciedo are both used as trade bait to fill in some of the holes.

Flowers is a non-prospect at this point. No team would trade anything of value for him. As for Viciedo, he's probably the starting 1B next season given the payroll problems the team has.

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QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 03:24 PM)
Flowers is a non-prospect at this point. No team would trade anything of value for him. As for Viciedo, he's probably the starting 1B next season given the payroll problems the team has.

 

Just because Flowers' had a bad season doesn't mean he's a non-prospect. This is the same exact kind of stuff people were saying about Viciedo last year, and then he had a good all around season.

 

The example I used was JP Arencibia for Toronto. Had a piss-poor 2009, comes back this year, destroys AAA pitching, and he's looked at in a different light again.

 

Flowers is still a relatively young player. This is a very important season for him, but considering him a non-prospect after his first full go around in AAA is pretty ridiculous.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 03:34 PM)
Just because Flowers' had a bad season doesn't mean he's a non-prospect. This is the same exact kind of stuff people were saying about Viciedo last year, and then he had a good all around season.

 

The example I used was JP Arencibia for Toronto. Had a piss-poor 2009, comes back this year, destroys AAA pitching, and he's looked at in a different light again.

 

Flowers is still a relatively young player. This is a very important season for him, but considering him a non-prospect after his first full go around in AAA is pretty ridiculous.

He definitely has more value to the Sox right now than in a trade, he needs to turn it around which is very possible but right now it's not looking good.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 04:34 PM)
Just because Flowers' had a bad season doesn't mean he's a non-prospect. This is the same exact kind of stuff people were saying about Viciedo last year, and then he had a good all around season.

 

The example I used was JP Arencibia for Toronto. Had a piss-poor 2009, comes back this year, destroys AAA pitching, and he's looked at in a different light again.

 

Flowers is still a relatively young player. This is a very important season for him, but considering him a non-prospect after his first full go around in AAA is pretty ridiculous.

The problem with Flowers is 2-fold. First...he's a non-prospect in a trade sense. Although he started the year in BA's top 60, he's clearly fallen from that standing. Thus, right now, in building our 2011 team, he's not helpful on the trade front.

 

Second...we actually need a catcher right now! Flowers had such a terrible season that even people who tend to like giving young guys a shot after they've worked their way up (i.e. Me) are currently unable to figure out how we could gamble on Flowers as the starting C next year.

 

In the long term he may still have some promise, but he's at best a throw-in for most trades right now, and he's at best a huge risk as the starting catcher next year.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 26, 2010 -> 04:02 PM)
I like all of these moves. It's obvious to bring Thornton back and makes a lot of sense to retain Castro. Very glad to see Torres leave, as he's a talentless hack with no marbles.

 

Castro is fine as long as we don't expect anything like what we got from him last season.

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