mmmmmbeeer Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Per Sportsline....and props to them for making fun of Cowley http://dave-andriesen.blogs.cbssports.com/...297882/25554357 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I really hope KW makes a couple splashes this offseason. I'd like to see the direction of this team changed a bit more, then the tweaks and stopgaps we got last offseason. Obviously, getting Colby Rasmus would be one of these moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 03:19 AM) Per Sportsline....and props to them for making fun of Cowley http://dave-andriesen.blogs.cbssports.com/...297882/25554357 Too bad there weren't any references to his mom's basement or Jay Mariotti's schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 08:25 AM) Too bad there weren't any references to his mom's basement or Jay Mariotti's schtick. I think we need a FakeJoeCowley twitter post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Cowley tweeter earlier how the story about the potential trade Ozzie/Stanton was just another example of why the Sun Times was a superior sports section. Of course, the Marlins never considered it, if it were even brought up to them, but why let facts get in the way of a good story. I seemed to recall Cowley ripping a Soxtalk report on a potential 3 way trade last year involving Paulie and Adrian Gonzalez. Now he's reporting a potential Quentin/Rasmus trade? I am one who feels Quentin has a lot more value than most, but as the big piece for Rasmus? Never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 01:03 PM) Cowley tweeter earlier how the story about the potential trade Ozzie/Stanton was just another example of why the Sun Times was a superior sports section. Of course, the Marlins never considered it, if it were even brought up to them, but why let facts get in the way of a good story. I seemed to recall Cowley ripping a Soxtalk report on a potential 3 way trade last year involving Paulie and Adrian Gonzalez. Now he's reporting a potential Quentin/Rasmus trade? I am one who feels Quentin has a lot more value than most, but as the big piece for Rasmus? Never. Honestly...the Cardinals with Rasmus are in a similar boat with Quentin...because everyone knows the Cardinals want to get rid of Rasmus, so that kind of is going to depress his value a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:06 PM) Honestly...the Cardinals with Rasmus are in a similar boat with Quentin...because everyone knows the Cardinals want to get rid of Rasmus, so that kind of is going to depress his value a bit. I totally disagree. First, the Cards GM is on record saying he isn't going anywhere. That could be a smokescreen, but this isn't a guy who has a contract that is going to scare anyone away. There's 29 other teams that would love to have him. The Cards may trade him, something without any issues they probably wouldn't even consider, but his value isn't depressed. You aren't going to get a bargain rate for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 01:18 PM) I totally disagree. First, the Cards GM is on record saying he isn't going anywhere. That could be a smokescreen, but this isn't a guy who has a contract that is going to scare anyone away. There's 29 other teams that would love to have him. The Cards may trade him, something without any issues they probably wouldn't even consider, but his value isn't depressed. You aren't going to get a bargain rate for him. I don't think there is any way he's going to be with that team in the spring. LaRussa pretty much made that clear. I could be wrong, but I'll be stunned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Who is Cardinals top pitching prosepect and how can we arrange a trade that sends Carlos, and Buehrle to the Cards for Rasmus and studs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:20 PM) I don't think there is any way he's going to be with that team in the spring. LaRussa pretty much made that clear. I could be wrong, but I'll be stunned. Maybe he won't be there, but Carlos Quentin and prospects, especially White Sox prospects, isn't going to get the job done, and I don't know that they really want to take on much money. If it comes out the Cardinals are dealing him there are going to be offers the Sox can't match or would be stupid to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) Who is Cardinals top pitching prosepect and how can we arrange a trade that sends Carlos, and Buehrle to the Cards for Rasmus and studs? The Cardinals need to re-sign Pujols. I don't think adding close to $20 million to their payroll is something they want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 01:26 PM) Who is Cardinals top pitching prosepect and how can we arrange a trade that sends Carlos, and Buehrle to the Cards for Rasmus and studs? Unless things remarkably changed this season...BA had the Cardinals ranked as the 29th out of 30 systems coming into this season. Basically, the Cardinals system makes the Sox's system look solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:31 PM) Unless things remarkably changed this season...BA had the Cardinals ranked as the 29th out of 30 systems coming into this season. Basically, the Cardinals system makes the Sox's system look solid. Or the Cardinals system is the same as the White Sox system, and they're both s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 01:54 PM) Or the Cardinals system is the same as the White Sox system, and they're both s***. If you'll note...we were substantially ahead of the Cardinals coming in this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:54 PM) If you'll note...we were substantially ahead of the Cardinals coming in this year. And then the White Sox minor league system had a pretty terrible all around year. Morel was one of the few players who had a really good season, and he's a guy who could fit in really well with St. Louis; I think trading Morel would be a huge mistake for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) Who is Cardinals top pitching prosepect and how can we arrange a trade that sends Carlos, and Buehrle to the Cards for Rasmus and studs? Shelby Miller and he's quite the stud. He's not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 02:00 PM) Shelby Miller and he's quite the stud. He's not going anywhere. Well, maybe for Edwin Jackson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:20 PM) I don't think there is any way he's going to be with that team in the spring. LaRussa pretty much made that clear. I could be wrong, but I'll be stunned. How & when did LaRussa make it clear that Rasmus will be gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) How & when did LaRussa make it clear that Rasmus will be gone? If Pujols saying this didn't make it clear... “If you don’t want to be part of this great organization man, this is one of the special organizations that you want to play for,” Pujols said. “And if you don’t want to be a part of this, then you know what? You need to figure out a place to go and play.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 01:23 PM) If Pujols saying this didn't make it clear... 2 things. 1. That statement by Pujols makes no sense because he is under contract and he cannot go figure out another place to play. 2. You said that Tony made it clear. Larussa just extended his contract about 2 weeks ago, so if it was a personal issue then if Tony didn't come back why would Rasmus need to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:03 PM) Cowley tweeter earlier how the story about the potential trade Ozzie/Stanton was just another example of why the Sun Times was a superior sports section. Of course, the Marlins never considered it, if it were even brought up to them, but why let facts get in the way of a good story. I seemed to recall Cowley ripping a Soxtalk report on a potential 3 way trade last year involving Paulie and Adrian Gonzalez. Now he's reporting a potential Quentin/Rasmus trade? I am one who feels Quentin has a lot more value than most, but as the big piece for Rasmus? Never. Ever since their readership went into the toilet the Sun Times is a step above a tabloid. Writers like Cowley are just a part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) Who is Cardinals top pitching prosepect and how can we arrange a trade that sends Carlos, and Buehrle to the Cards for Rasmus and studs? If Buehrle is in a deal to St Louis, we sure as heck aren't getting Rasmus back, let alone more prospects. They need to cut payroll to make room for a Pujols massive extention. Think ARod money and how to make room for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I enjoyed the comments in the MLBTraderumors site for this Rasmus/Quentin deal. Cardinals fan suggesting that any trade for Rasmus would have to start with Beckham and Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 12:28 PM) Maybe he won't be there, but Carlos Quentin and prospects, especially White Sox prospects, isn't going to get the job done, and I don't know that they really want to take on much money. If it comes out the Cardinals are dealing him there are going to be offers the Sox can't match or would be stupid to match. I'm not at all disputing what you say D.A.; but wouldn't Buehrles' contract come off of the books about the time that Puhols' extension would start? If it does, I could see the Cardinals wanting to take on a little more salary for a solid run next year, especially if Rasmus is the problem that LaRussa makes him out to be. By the same token, would K.W. want to add a problem child to our roster without doing some serious checking on this guy first. The Tribune also mentioned that the Cardinals would be interested in Tajeda for a stopgap at shortstop, meaning they might want a shortstop for the future. If K.W. decides that he really wants Rasmus, would something like a Escobar (fresh off a hot Arizona Fall League), Buehrle, Quentin, Harrell package, give or take a few parts or $ on either side, work for Rasmus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 QUOTE (balfanman @ Oct 30, 2010 -> 06:50 PM) I'm not at all disputing what you say D.A.; but wouldn't Buehrles' contract come off of the books about the time that Puhols' extension would start? If it does, I could see the Cardinals wanting to take on a little more salary for a solid run next year, especially if Rasmus is the problem that LaRussa makes him out to be. By the same token, would K.W. want to add a problem child to our roster without doing some serious checking on this guy first. The Tribune also mentioned that the Cardinals would be interested in Tajeda for a stopgap at shortstop, meaning they might want a shortstop for the future. If K.W. decides that he really wants Rasmus, would something like a Escobar (fresh off a hot Arizona Fall League), Buehrle, Quentin, Harrell package, give or take a few parts or $ on either side, work for Rasmus? There's a kicker for Buehrle if he gets traded, so it would be about $15 million next season, plus Quentin will be around $5 million and Rasmus will make peanuts. No way that deal gets done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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