2010-11 MLB Offseason Catch-All

[Balta1701]

Why is it so bad that he would play minor league ball for a year and a half? To my knowledge he is only like 21 years old. But I would really hope Kenny could get Romine and Gardner for something like Floyd and Quentin.

Dumping a guy from our current rotation who isn't all that expensive for a guy who won't be an integral part of your team until 2013 isn't even close to what I'd call going "All in". It's what I'd call "rebuilding".

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Dumping a guy from our current rotation who isn't all that expensive for a guy who won't be an integral part of your team until 2013 isn't even close to what I'd call going "All in". It's what I'd call "rebuilding".

 

Ok, call it what you want, but I think Chris Sale will do a great job in the rotation if he takes Floyd's spot, and Gardner will be an obvious improvement over Carlos Quentin. I think we overall get better with that trade, and that's not even mentioning Austin Romine.

[Balta1701]

Ok, call it what you want, but I think Chris Sale will do a great job in the rotation if he takes Floyd's spot, and Gardner will be an obvious improvement over Carlos Quentin. I think we overall get better with that trade, and that's not even mentioning Austin Romine.

I think Sale would do well also. I've gotten the impression that Sale will be in the rotation on opening day, taking Peavy's role, and that leaves you weakening your bullpen, with only 4 starting pitchers if Peavy isn't there. Lucas Harrell taking up 10 starts is not all-in.

[Steve9347]

I think Sale would do well also. I've gotten the impression that Sale will be in the rotation on opening day, taking Peavy's role, and that leaves you weakening your bullpen, with only 4 starting pitchers if Peavy isn't there. Lucas Harrell taking up 10 starts is not all-in.

Anyone thinking that Kenny Williams' saying this and then it being used as a slogan isn't just a big marketing ploy is foolish. The Sox aren't going to change much drastically from where they are right now. There will be a few non-roster invitees to Spring Training, we'll hear how one has awesome "stuff" and then hope someone can get outs in a pretty bad bullpen until Peavy gets back.

[justBLAZE]

Anyone thinking that Kenny Williams' saying this and then it being used as a slogan isn't just a big marketing ploy is foolish. The Sox aren't going to change much drastically from where they are right now. There will be a few non-roster invitees to Spring Training, we'll hear how one has awesome "stuff" and then hope someone can get outs in a pretty bad bullpen until Peavy gets back.

 

Even when Peavy gets back it's gonna be a pretty bad bullpen with Thrornton, Sale, Santos, Pena and 3 holes. No way in hell we should have 3 holes in the bullpen, this is going to be a bigger fiasco than Mark Kotsay last year.

[Balta1701]

Anyone thinking that Kenny Williams' saying this and then it being used as a slogan isn't just a big marketing ploy is foolish. The Sox aren't going to change much drastically from where they are right now. There will be a few non-roster invitees to Spring Training, we'll hear how one has awesome "stuff" and then hope someone can get outs in a pretty bad bullpen until Peavy gets back.

Really, I disagree with the concept that this is a "pretty bad bullpen". Compared to last year, I feel like it's lost exactly 1 piece of value, Putz, who was ridiculous May through July and bad and hurt in August.

 

Who else have we subtracted? Jenks, Linebrink, and the combination of Threets/Williams. Jenks and Linebrink were at best bad, at worst terrible.

 

The other guys in last year's bullpen...Thornton, Santos, Pena, and Sale, are all still there, and they're likely to be joined by Infante. That means...the Sox bullpen is thin on bodies right now, but it's gotten thin by pulling out the garbage. Re-inserting garbage really won't make it worse. And remember, this was still the #5 bullpen in the AL in ERA last year (#1-4 made the playoffs).

 

The weakness right now is that we have to replace some very good innings by Putz. Frankly, that may already have happened, if either Infante performs, Pena pulls his career out of the gutter, or Santos grows into a solid 2nd year pitcher.

[Steve9347]

Really, I disagree with the concept that this is a "pretty bad bullpen". Compared to last year, I feel like it's lost exactly 1 piece of value, Putz, who was ridiculous May through July and bad and hurt in August.

 

Who else have we subtracted? Jenks, Linebrink, and the combination of Threets/Williams. Jenks and Linebrink were at best bad, at worst terrible.

 

The other guys in last year's bullpen...Thornton, Santos, Pena, and Sale, are all still there, and they're likely to be joined by Infante. That means...the Sox bullpen is think on bodies right now, but it's gotten thin by pulling out the garbage. Re-inserting garbage really won't make it worse. And remember, this was still the #5 bullpen in the AL in ERA last year (#1-4 made the playoffs).

 

The weakness right now is that we have to replace some very good innings by Putz. Frankly, that may already have happened, if either Infante performs, Pena pulls his career out of the gutter, or Santos grows into a solid 2nd year pitcher.

I like the cut of your jib, Balta.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I think Sale would do well also. I've gotten the impression that Sale will be in the rotation on opening day, taking Peavy's role, and that leaves you weakening your bullpen, with only 4 starting pitchers if Peavy isn't there. Lucas Harrell taking up 10 starts is not all-in.

 

10 starts? I don't see Peavy missing 1/3 of the season, especially since he is apparently 3 weeks ahead of schedule. I would say he misses 6 or 7, a couple of which don't have to be covered if we use the off-day and a 4-man rotation. So we are taking between 4-5 starts that would need to be covered by Harrell (or someone).

[BigSqwert]

Yanks strike out on Cliff Lee but get an even better Mark Prior!

[GoodAsGould]

Dumping a guy from our current rotation who isn't all that expensive for a guy who won't be an integral part of your team until 2013 isn't even close to what I'd call going "All in". It's what I'd call "rebuilding".

 

The only saving grace would be if Sale is inserted into the rotation the money we save from Floyd would probably be enough to sign to rp's that can be plugged into the bullpen. It does hurt the Whitesox depth a bit, but if they think the prospects they are receiving in return are worth it I'm aboard.

[BigSqwert]

I have no confidence that Sale could last a full season as a starter and remain healthy.

[Balta1701]

I have no confidence that Sale could last a full season as a starter and remain healthy.

I really think he could, although I'd want him limited to 180-ish innings, which would mean giving him some extra rest at some point.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I really think he could, although I'd want him limited to 180-ish innings, which would mean giving him some extra rest at some point.

 

I agree. I want him in the rotation, and yes, 180 IP or so seems like a good point. I think he pitched what, 150 innings last year? I don't rememeber, but if we can stretch him out another 25 IP or so each year, I think that would be a good plan.

[witesoxfan]

I really think he could, although I'd want him limited to 180-ish innings, which would mean giving him some extra rest at some point.

 

I think 180 is even too much. The most he's ever thrown in a year was 154 in 2009 between Florida Gulf Coast and the Cape Cod league. Last year he threw 136 innings, but 103 of those innings came at Florida Gulf Coast where he is on a different regiment for starting than he is professionally. Given that he only gets 4-5 days in between starts, as opposed to a full week, I think he'd be better off getting 130-150 innings if the Sox were to commit to him as a starting pitcher next year. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to him starting from April through August and then calling him up at that point to use as a reliever for the stretch run. To use the often overused phrase, it would be like trading for a good left handed reliever without having to give anything up.

[sircaffey]

I think 180 is even too much. The most he's ever thrown in a year was 154 in 2009 between Florida Gulf Coast and the Cape Cod league. Last year he threw 136 innings, but 103 of those innings came at Florida Gulf Coast where he is on a different regiment for starting than he is professionally. Given that he only gets 4-5 days in between starts, as opposed to a full week, I think he'd be better off getting 130-150 innings if the Sox were to commit to him as a starting pitcher next year. In fact, I wouldn't be opposed to him starting from April through August and then calling him up at that point to use as a reliever for the stretch run. To use the often overused phrase, it would be like trading for a good left handed reliever without having to give anything up.

Yes. Pro innings are much different than amateur innings. I wouldn't want to see anything more than 130 IP. I think it is especially important considering Sale is so underdeveloped physically.

[smalls2598]

per Rotoworld:

 

Craig Calcaterra of NBC Sports reports that the Rays are nearing an agreement with free agent reliever Bobby Jenks.

 

EDIT: ok, that was from 9:11 last night. Nearly an hour later, Rotoworld then posted this:

 

Marc Topkin of the St. Petersburg Times heard from a source late Wednesday night that the Rays are "not" near a deal with Bobby Jenks.

 

 

Edited December 16, 2010 by smalls2598

[SoxFan562004]

Looks like the Twins signed nishioka per Heyman, looks like 3/10.

 

I really can't believe the Cubs are trying to bring Wood back, they need some serious SP help and they're doing a reunion tour.

Edited December 16, 2010 by SoxFan562004

[bschmaranz]

According to Heyman, Jenks is looking for "Closer Money" ($8 mil).

 

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/15441482873839616

[southsider2k5]

According to Heyman, Jenks is looking for "Closer Money" ($8 mil).

 

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/15441482873839616

 

Yeah, if he was worth that much, the Sox would have offered arb then traded him.

[Chisoxfn]

I still think if Jenks eventually takes a lesser deal it might be back in Chicago.

[SoxFan562004]

I still think if Jenks eventually takes a lesser deal it might be back in Chicago.

someone will get desperate, he might have to wait until ST, but I think a team will have an injury or panic and give him good money

[Milkman delivers]

someone will get desperate, he might have to wait until ST, but I think a team will have an injury or panic and give him good money

 

And if the guy truly wanted to cash in on this opportunity, he'd lose some f***ing weight.

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

I didn't see this posted elsewhere, but... former Sox minor leaguer Jeff Bajenaru is now a pitching coach for the Diamondbacks.

 

Named Mel Stottlemyre, Jr. short-season pitching coordinator; Joel Youngblood outfield and baserunning coordinator; Turner Ward manager and Alan Zinter hitting coach for Mobile (SL); Jason Hardtke manager, Doug Drabek pitching coach and Andy Abad Hitting coache for Visalia (Cal); Bobby Smith hitting coach for Soputh Bend (MWL); Audo Vicente manager, Doug Bochtler pitching coach and Jacob Cruz hitting coach for Yakima (NWL); Andy Green hitting coach Missoula (Pioneer); Kelly Stinnett manager, Abraham Nunez hitting coach and Jeff Bajenaru pitching coach for D-backs (Arizona).

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/transactions

 

 

[Chi Town Sox]

I didn't see this posted elsewhere, but... former Sox minor leaguer Jeff Bajenaru is now a pitching coach for the Diamondbacks.

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/transactions

 

Thanks for that, I would have never thought of him ever again if you had not posted that

 

[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

For their Rookie Ball team....

 

Indeed.

 

The rookie-level Arizona League D-backs will be managed by former D-backs catcher Kelly Stinnett, while former D-backs pitcher Jeff Bajenaru will serve as pitching coach. Abraham Nunez will assume hitting-coach duties. Stinnett will be making his managerial debut, while Bajenaru and Nunez will each be making their coaching debuts.

 

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/p...sp&c_id=ari