LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 01:04 PM) Felix AL Cy Young. Good to hear. Will be interested to see how the voting played out, how close it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 Felix beat Price by 56 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) Thanks, hadn't really heard of them before. Sounds like the D-backs may be taking the whole "experience from a winning team" angle a bit too far. Either that...or they want depth at their 1b position because they're planning on going with the kid there (aka brandon allen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 01:19 PM) Dbacks traded a 19-year-old starter who had pretty good peripherals (9 K/9 to a 2.7 BB/9) for a 28-year-old 1B who is probably just a back-up player. Makes no sense for the Dbacks whom is thought to be trading off their talented players. He doesn't really sound like that great of a prospect. A 6'1" 170lb righty taken in the 11th round who sits 88-93 with the chance of developing an above average curveball. I doubt the DBacks thought much of him given what they got in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 02:04 PM) Felix AL Cy Young. Cliff Lee finishing 7th in the Cy Young is like Jeter winning the Gold Glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 02:42 PM) Cliff Lee finishing 7th in the Cy Young is like Jeter winning the Gold Glove. I disagree. All six of the pitchers that finished ahead of him had great seasons as well. Felix/Price/Weaver/Clay all had lower ERAs, CC was tied with him, Lester had 40 more K's in fewer innings. Lee had some struggles when he first got to Texas, I think 7th is where he belongs, if not below Cahill or Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) I disagree. All six of the pitchers that finished ahead of him had great seasons as well. Felix/Price/Weaver/Clay all had lower ERAs, CC was tied with him, Lester had 40 more K's in fewer innings. Lee had some struggles when he first got to Texas, I think 7th is where he belongs, if not below Cahill or Soriano. I would have given Cliff the Cy Young, but I figured he would at least finish in 2nd. 7th just makes me lose faith in the Cy Young award now as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 03:14 PM) I would have given Cliff the Cy Young, but I figured he would at least finish in 2nd. 7th just makes me lose faith in the Cy Young award now as well. Really? I don't really follow many of the sabermetric stats, but glancing at the everyday pitching stats, I think there were several pitchers who had better 2010 regular seasons than Lee did. His ridculously low walk total does stand out, but other than that nothing from last season makes me say Cliff Lee = 2010 Cy Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Really? I don't really follow many of the sabermetric stats, but glancing at the everyday pitching stats, I think there were several pitchers who had better 2010 regular seasons than Lee did. His ridculously low walk total does stand out, but other than that nothing from last season makes me say Cliff Lee = 2010 Cy Young. His historically good peripherals stand out to me. Intentional walks aside, he had 183 Ks to 16 BB. That's 11.43 K/BB, good for the BEST ALL TIME. Even in Pedro Martinez's amazing years, he was churning out 8-9 K/BB rates. Only 1 other person is history has EVER posted a K/BB rate above 10. K/BB is an extremely pitcher-specific stat. Hits, runs, wins, all have some sort of effect from their defense. K/BB are just between the hitter and the pitcher. No one else factors in. Then add in the fact that Cliff pitched through 2 injuries (abdominal and back), AND pitched 1/3 of his season in Texas, and I think he deserves a LOT more respect than the vote shows. I am not outraged that he lost, but outraged that he would not even crack the top 3. Also, if you want sabermetics, Lee had a 7.1 WAR to Felix's 6.2 WAR. Edited November 18, 2010 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 18, 2010 Share Posted November 18, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) His historically good peripherals stand out to me. Intentional walks aside, he had 183 Ks to 16 BB. That's 11.43 K/BB, good for the BEST ALL TIME. Even in Pedro Martinez's amazing years, he was churning out 8-9 K/BB rates. Only 1 other person is history has EVER posted a K/BB rate above 10. K/BB is an extremely pitcher-specific stat. Hits, runs, wins, all have some sort of effect from their defense. K/BB are just between the hitter and the pitcher. No one else factors in. Then add in the fact that Cliff pitched through 2 injuries (abdominal and back), AND pitched 1/3 of his season in Texas, and I think he deserves a LOT more respect than the vote shows. I am not outraged that he lost, but outraged that he would not even crack the top 3. Also, if you want sabermetics, Lee had a 7.1 WAR to Felix's 6.2 WAR. I never even saw Lee's name mentioned in award talks before the announcement, so thats why I was wondering why you were so adamant about Lee being in top 3. His walk totals are historically impressive and you can't argue with the best K/BB of all time. I don't necessarily disagree with his 7th place finish, but I can definitely see where you are coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 The difference between Lee finishing 7th and Jeter winning the Gold Glove is simple. The people that finsihed ahead of Lee were all at least arguably deserving of recognition.. The people that finished behind Jeter were all flagrantly MORE deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 AL Gold Glove Voting For the Next Zillion Years - SS 1. Derek Jeter 989456 points 2. Charles Barkley 87 points 3. Ralph Nader 6 points etc. etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 18, 2010 -> 01:04 PM) Felix AL Cy Young. Well it's good to know the Cy Young award is still legit. Hopefully the Gold Glove can be fixed soon. QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 03:33 AM) AL Gold Glove Voting For the Next Zillion Years - SS 1. Derek Jeter 989456 points 2. Charles Barkley 87 points 3. Ralph Nader 6 points etc. etc. etc. When the hell did you crawl out of your little hole? Edited November 19, 2010 by J.Reedfan8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Astros are up for sale. Anyone got an extra half-billion dollars lying around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 05:28 PM) Astros are up for sale. Anyone got an extra half-billion dollars lying around You don't need that, you just need an investment firm willing to loan you a good chunk of the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 05:28 PM) Astros are up for sale. Anyone got an extra half-billion dollars lying around I'll check my couch cushions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 The Chairman gets a Hall of Fame vote this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 (edited) Larry Rothschild is taking his talents to NYC*. Mark Gonzales and Cowley have both referred to him as a rat in some tweets. What is that about? *Yankees Edited November 19, 2010 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 It is funny for Cowley to call anyone a name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Larry Rothschild is taking his talents to NYC*. Mark Gonzales and Cowley have both referred to him as a rat in some tweets. What is that about? *Yankees The guy gets more out of pitchers than anyone...Ryan Dempster owes him millions. This is a real bad move by the cubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2010 Share Posted November 20, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Astros are up for sale. Anyone got an extra half-billion dollars lying around Apparently they are looking for $700 million at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Nov 19, 2010 -> 06:05 AM) When the hell did you crawl out of your little hole? When the offseason started. I'll probably head back down around Groundhog Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) Apparently they are looking for $700 million at least. I hear Derek Jeter wants the Yankees to by the 'Stros for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) I hear Derek Jeter wants the Yankees to by the 'Stros for him. And to throw in the Astrodome for his ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 21, 2010 Share Posted November 21, 2010 Barret Loux signs a free agent deal with Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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