mr_genius Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Rand Paul giving his victory speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Wisconsin Senate Exit Polls Feingold (D) - 49.5% Johnson ® - 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 Colorado Senate Exit Polls Bennet (D) - 49.5% Buck ® - 47% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Are these exit polls an average, or just from one source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) Are these exit polls an average, or just from one source? I think all of the news services use a single service or a combination. If memory serves me right, MSNBC and CNN always have the same numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 If Wisconsin is that close itll be interesitng to see how Dane County (madison) votes. They have pretty liberal voting rules so they basically get all of the college students to vote which can push the election Democratic potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) So, let me get this right, here's the narrative being given to me by the TV networks... Voters think government is broken, it's not getting anything done, so the best way to fix this is switching control of the house to the republicans who will infuse MORE conflict by completely opposing anything Obama wants to do. Edited November 3, 2010 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:28 PM) So, let me get this right, here's the narrative being given to me by the TV networks... Voters think government is broken, it's not getting anything done, so the best way to fix this is switching control of the house to the republicans who will infuse MORE conflict by completely opposing anything Obama wants to do. Just don't listen to pundits. It's too complicated to be explained in like the minute each gets to explain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:30 PM) Just don't listen to pundits. It's too complicated to be explained in like the minute each gets to explain things. Oh I know. I just find it funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:31 PM) Oh I know. I just find it funny. That being said, Americans do think government is broken, and they're absolutely right. Of course what happens tonight won't do anything to solve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) That being said, Americans do think government is broken, and they're absolutely right. Of course what happens tonight won't do anything to solve it. Exactly. I have no idea on how to fix it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Exactly. I have no idea on how to fix it either. First two ideas. Get money out of politics. Make Presidency stronger (ie line item veto). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) First two ideas. Get money out of politics. Make Presidency stronger (ie line item veto). I 100% support line item veto... and a balanced budget amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 definitely need to at least make a legit attempt to get the bribe money out of politics. it's totally out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Well, so far things are looking good for Dayton. Keeping my fingers crossed because Emmer is just icky. Hoping Oberstar can keep his seat also. And for Illinois politics, I hope Foster can keep his seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 No way to line item veto, thats giving to much power to president. The problem is that people cant come to reasonable solutions anymore, the US has just outgrown the original idea of the federal govt. What makes sense for Chicago, IL may not even make sense for Carbondale, let alone a state that has absolutely no similarities to us. The only solution is to give a lot of power back to the states, and let the states decide on most issues, with the federal govt making sure that no state goes to far. If Kansas wants to let a mule marry a donkey, what ever. If Alaska wants to let people own bazookas, I dont really care. If California wants to legalize lsd, go for it. I am a Federalist at heart and I believe in a strong federal government. But this s*** is just to f***ed up. There is no way we can get the whole United States to agree on all of these issues, without a common enemy or unifying idea we are divided, no one is going to give in or compromise, even if it is the best for all of us. I may not think Republicans or Democrats are smart or good or whatever, but I certainly can tell you that I wouldnt want be on a ship that had 2 different captains, with each captain completely changing course every 2 weeks. Id rather have the s***ty captain who at least heads one direction, most things really just dont matter in the end, but we need some sort of direction. Otherwise we are going to look back 50 years from now and wonder how the US went from a super power to China's b****. Sorry for the rant, I hate elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:47 PM) No way to line item veto, thats giving to much power to president. The problem is that people cant come to reasonable solutions anymore, the US has just outgrown the original idea of the federal govt. What makes sense for Chicago, IL may not even make sense for Carbondale, let alone a state that has absolutely no similarities to us. The only solution is to give a lot of power back to the states, and let the states decide on most issues, with the federal govt making sure that no state goes to far. If Kansas wants to let a mule marry a donkey, what ever. If Alaska wants to let people own bazookas, I dont really care. If California wants to legalize lsd, go for it. I am a Federalist at heart and I believe in a strong federal government. But this s*** is just to f***ed up. There is no way we can get the whole United States to agree on all of these issues, without a common enemy or unifying idea we are divided, no one is going to give in or compromise, even if it is the best for all of us. I may not think Republicans or Democrats are smart or good or whatever, but I certainly can tell you that I wouldnt want be on a ship that had 2 different captains, with each captain completely changing course every 2 weeks. Id rather have the s***ty captain who at least heads one direction, most things really just dont matter in the end, but we need some sort of direction. Otherwise we are going to look back 50 years from now and wonder how the US went from a super power to China's b****. Sorry for the rant, I hate elections. I hear you. I don't think the President needs power to decide on social issues for all the states. But the Presidency needs more power in budgeting and other financial issues. Not enough people in House/Senate/White House are all able to do political unpopular stuff all at once. It's easier if the President has more power I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 It changes the nature of the legislation. Now if you want to maybe say that President has line item veto on budget only and then that 1 item could be over ridden by 2/3 vote of House and Senate, I could potentially be persuaded. But even cutting a single word can alter how a law is written or interpreted. For every word there is in the Constitution, there is probably 1,000 words of legal precedence discussing exactly what it meant. You cant let a President change the intention of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Gentlemen, could you please start a new thread for this discussion? Gracias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 If I had to guess id say Quinn is Governor and Kirk is Senator. Down to 90k lead for Alexi and 70% of Cook County reporting. He really needs to boost that up because most of the slow reporting counties are going heavy Republican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 NV Senate Exit Poll Reid (D) - 47.5 Angle ® - 46.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 3, 2010 Author Share Posted November 3, 2010 PA Senate Exit Polls Sestak (D) - 49.6 Toomey ® - 50.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) PA Senate Exit Polls Sestak (D) - 49.6 Toomey ® - 50.4 FOX seems worried that Toomey is going to lose. 78% reporting 51.7 Sestek 48.3 Toomey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 Kirk- Alexi is going to be a razor thin margin. From what I can tell Alexi may hold on by a few thousand votes. It looks like the suburbs have caught up with Cook County and some of the biggest Democrat strongholds are still at less than 80% reporting. Its going to be super close and a chance that Alexi gets the unexpired term while Kirk gets the regular seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 3, 2010 Share Posted November 3, 2010 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 2, 2010 -> 08:54 PM) It changes the nature of the legislation. Now if you want to maybe say that President has line item veto on budget only and then that 1 item could be over ridden by 2/3 vote of House and Senate, I could potentially be persuaded. But even cutting a single word can alter how a law is written or interpreted. For every word there is in the Constitution, there is probably 1,000 words of legal precedence discussing exactly what it meant. You cant let a President change the intention of the law. Interesting thoughts - and yea, would be a good thread offshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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