LittleHurt05 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Nov 8, 2010 -> 09:31 PM) I am going to have to respectfully disagree. The starting pitching market is pretty thin and guys like Westbrook/Garland/Pavano are going to get big money for MULTIPLE years. Plenty of teams (including the Cards)would take Buehrle for only one year at 14,000,000. Now he doesn't have much value, but I wouldn't say it is negative. Come to think of it, isn't there an automatic escalator if MB is traded? That might damper things... They already have $72 million invested in just 6 players. Their payroll has never been $100 million, and their pitching coach is known to pick up garbage pitchers and salvage their careers. They aren't gonna take MB for $14 million, then pay their other 18 players less than $14 million total. Plus, I think they would like to save some cash to offer that 1B of their a long term deal relatively soon. Not to mention Wainwright's contract may be running out soon (not sure how his options work), they are gonna want to pay him too. They will NOT take on MB's salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Nov 8, 2010 -> 08:50 PM) Danks, Danks, Beckham, Mitchell to San Diego - Gonzalez, Ludwick to Chicago. + 8 Million? This is an absolutely terrible trade. Our best young starting pitcher, our young/cheap/talented starting 2B, and one of our top 3-4 prospects for one year of Gonzalez and Ludwick? This trade would completely destroy our organization in the long-run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 9, 2010 -> 07:38 AM) They already have $72 million invested in just 6 players. Their payroll has never been $100 million, and their pitching coach is known to pick up garbage pitchers and salvage their careers. They aren't gonna take MB for $14 million, then pay their other 18 players less than $14 million total. Plus, I think they would like to save some cash to offer that 1B of their a long term deal relatively soon. Not to mention Wainwright's contract may be running out soon (not sure how his options work), they are gonna want to pay him too. They will NOT take on MB's salary. Guys like De La Rosa and Pavano are going to be ten million for three or four years.... and will cost picks. MB being at least a Type B free agent is not a horrible play at one year and 14,000,000. And I clearly stated that the Sox and Cards were not a great match.... My argument is to Buehrle's value. Edited November 10, 2010 by GREEDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 9, 2010 -> 09:05 AM) This is an absolutely terrible trade. Our best young starting pitcher, our young/cheap/talented starting 2B, and one of our top 3-4 prospects for one year of Gonzalez and Ludwick? This trade would completely destroy our organization in the long-run. I'd bet the Pads would bite at a package of Linebrink and Ozzie Guillen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Nov 9, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) I'd bet the Pads would bite at a package of Linebrink and Ozzie Guillen. So you're implying the only two offers are either our most valuable pitcher, most valuable position player, and a top 3 minor leaguer or arguably the most worthless asshole on the roster and our manager. The only point I was trying to make is that the trade you proposed was completely lopsided in the Padres favor and should never be offered. Whether the Padres would bite on a lesser offer is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 A-Gon had surgery on 10/20 and likely won't swing a bat until March 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 10:01 AM) A-Gon had surgery on 10/20 and likely won't swing a bat until March 20. Well, I'd assume that pretty much means he's only a deadline-deal option for teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 Offseason game plan just look at the approaches and the recent success of teams like Rangers, Giants, Rays, Phillies, etc. The gameplan is simple, "championship teams are built on pitching, defense, speed, and athleticism". That should be the gameplan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted November 10, 2010 Share Posted November 10, 2010 I kind of hope the Sox make a run at Brandon Webb with a one year deal to catch lighting in a bottle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) I kind of hope the Sox make a run at Brandon Webb with a one year deal to catch lighting in a bottle. Starting pitching is the last thing they need to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Some guy at Yahoo named Tim Brown: Opposing clubs expect the White Sox to take offers for second baseman Gordon Beckham Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 10:05 PM) Some guy at Yahoo named Tim Brown: Link Kenny would take offers for his mom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 As Beckham's biggest fan, I have no problems with him being dangled as trade bait. If you can get an impact power bat that's signed for more than a year, go ahead and do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) As Beckham's biggest fan, I have no problems with him being dangled as trade bait. If you can get an impact power bat that's signed for more than a year, go ahead and do that. Unless we're getting Mike Stanton back, I'd be disgusted with just about any trade involving Beckham and it would indeed confirm this franchise truly has no organizational direction going forward other than to "go for it" every year while coming up short to the troops in Minny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmbjeff Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 10:33 PM) Unless we're getting Mike Stanton back, I'd be disgusted with just about any trade involving Beckham and it would indeed confirm this franchise truly has no organizational direction going forward other than to "go for it" every year while coming up short to the troops in Minny. yeah it would have to be for another young talent of equal value otherwise it makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 yeah it would have to be for another young talent of equal value otherwise it makes no sense How about thinking of the radical and contemplating dangling Beckham for Colby Rasmus in a straight up swap? Maybe a A or AA filler from us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 12:45 AM) How about thinking of the radical and contemplating dangling Beckham for Colby Rasmus in a straight up swap? Maybe a A or AA filler from us? No thanks. No sense in filling one hole by creating another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) I am kind of thinking KW might revisit Prince Fielder with Beckham as his bait, under the condition that Fielder gets an extension. Then again, I heard Ryan Braun is on the trading block, and he would be much more valuable due to positional value and especially his contract. Would also cost a ton to get him, but an OF of Pierre-Rios-Braun would be incredible. Edited November 11, 2010 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 12:45 AM) How about thinking of the radical and contemplating dangling Beckham for Colby Rasmus in a straight up swap? Maybe a A or AA filler from us? Sox already have a CF for the next few years, then you have to fill the hole at 2B, good luck finding a youngster as talented as Beckham. I'm not against acquiring Rasmus, but not be giving up another everyday player of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 08:22 AM) Sox already have a CF for the next few years, then you have to fill the hole at 2B, good luck finding a youngster as talented as Beckham. I'm not against acquiring Rasmus, but not be giving up another everyday player of the future. There has been some suggestion that the Sox would be interested in moving Rios to RF if they could find another person to play CF. I just can't see them letting Beckham go though, even in a deal like that, unless they think his head REALLY isn't screwed on right after a year and a half in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think the offseaon is going to more simple than a bunch of trading. I think Konerko will be with another team and Dunn brought in. AJ comes back at a reduced salary and I wouldn't be surprised to see Berkman brought in on the cheap to be the DH/1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 09:59 AM) I think the offseaon is going to more simple than a bunch of trading. I think Konerko will be with another team and Dunn brought in. AJ comes back at a reduced salary and I wouldn't be surprised to see Berkman brought in on the cheap to be the DH/1b. That still leaves us with significant bullpen issues and Quentin as an incredibly weak defensive RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 What KW needs to do is FOCUS hard on Adrian Gonzalez right now! If we can get him right away in the offseason- the organization can move on and not take that big of blow losing PK. I am not sure what it would cost to get A Gonz- but the GM has came out and said he will be listening to offers. With that PK money- you can then sign Damon as your DH for a resonable price (5-6 mill) re-sign AJ and Putz and go out and sign Brandon Inge for 3B. It would be more of a 2005 offseason mind-set with cutting ties to Magglio. I would love to move Quentin, but i think the organization wants to give him one more chance. Not to mention we will need his power or somebody with power out in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:56 PM) I am not sure what it would cost to get A Gonz- but the GM has came out and said he will be listening to offers. Starts with Beckham and goes from there. Perhaps Beckham + Viciedo might be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 MLBTR takes Tim Brown's Yahoo rumors and ponders who could be potential trade partners for the Sox if Beckham really is available. Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/pote...on-beckham.html I know this site is generally known for picking up other site's rumors but I don't think they are bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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