White Sox Off-Season Catch All Thread

[Jordan4life_2007]

I would do that trade in a HEARTBEAT.

 

I'd like to know the response by other Yankee fans to that guy's proposal. I'm assuming it wasn't very warm. That'd be an insane haul for Danks. But that's exactly what a good GM (in general) should shoot for when (hypothetically speaking) dangling a proven 25-year old SP under control for two more years.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Jordan4life

[bighurt4life]

I would do that trade in a HEARTBEAT.

 

I won't trade our best SP for any package that doesn't include Montero. In addition to him being our best SP (jury still out on Peavy) he's also a lefty, only 25, has gotten better every year in the majors and has the type of stuff that ages well. By that I mean that he doesn't have some funky pitching motion and he doesn't throw pure power stuff so he has the potential to be successful for the next 10+ years because he mixes pitches well, changes speeds and has that bulldog mentality needed for long term success. Considering all that, I wouldn't give him up without getting a BIG name prospect in return and Montero is that guy if we're talking the yankees.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Looking over at NYYfans.com, and they really value Danks highly.... here are some offers I have seen proposed....

 

Romine, Joba, Nova, and Noesi

Romine, Joba, Nova, and Betances (someone said no way, and someone else said the Sox won't take that deal)

Montero, Nova, Betances

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I won't trade our best SP for any package that doesn't include Montero. In addition to him being our best SP (jury still out on Peavy) he's also a lefty, only 25, has gotten better every year in the majors and has the type of stuff that ages well. By that I mean that he doesn't have some funky pitching motion and he doesn't throw pure power stuff so he has the potential to be successful for the next 10+ years because he mixes pitches well, changes speeds and has that bulldog mentality needed for long term success. Considering all that, I wouldn't give him up without getting a BIG name prospect in return and Montero is that guy if we're talking the yankees.

 

Danks is also going to be pricey, and I am no so sure we will be able to retain him. Every piece coming back (Joba, Romine, Nova, and Betances) is something this team needs. Catching prospect? Check. Solid reliever? Check. Decent 5th start to fill in before Peavy comes back? Check. And then you add in Betances who is a huge 22-year-old righty who tops out at 98MPH with a plus-plus fastball, with a plus-curveball, and a good-enough change-up. At 2 levels last year, he had 108 Ks to 22 BB (4.91 K/BB) in 85 IP. That's an 11.4 K/9 and a 2.3 BB/9 with a 0.88 WHIP. Those are pretty awesome numbers for a 22-year-old.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Danks is also going to be pricey, and I am no so sure we will be able to retain him. Every piece coming back (Joba, Romine, Nova, and Betances) is something this team needs. Catching prospect? Check. Solid reliever? Check. Decent 5th start to fill in before Peavy comes back? Check. And then you add in Betances who is a huge 22-year-old righty who tops out at 98MPH with a plus-plus fastball, with a plus-curveball, and a good-enough change-up. At 2 levels last year, he had 108 Ks to 22 BB (4.91 K/BB) in 85 IP. That's an 11.4 K/9 and a 2.3 BB/9 with a 0.88 WHIP. Those are pretty awesome numbers for a 22-year-old.

 

You would obviously shoot for Montero. But if said package was proposed I don't know how you don't run with it. But this is pretty meaningless. It was a random idea by a random fan on a message board.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

You would obviously shoot for Montero. But if said package was proposed I don't know how you don't run with it. But this is pretty meaningless. It was a random idea by a random fan on a message board.

 

The thing about Montero is that I don't think any deal around Montero could improve the 2011 team. If it was Montero +, then that extra player would be some lower level minors guy I would assume. I'd rather take the lesser of their catching prospects if it meant we were to add to our 2011 club (Joba and Nova).

[Jordan4life_2007]

The thing about Montero is that I don't think any deal around Montero could improve the 2011 team. If it was Montero +, then that extra player would be some lower level minors guy I would assume. I'd rather take the lesser of their catching prospects if it meant we were to add to our 2011 club (Joba and Nova).

 

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with Pettite. He's figuratively got the Yankees by their collective nuts right now. I just can't see them going into '11 with two of Nova, Mitre or Brackman. Not with their expectations, payroll, ect. Cashman is doing the correct thing in acting all cool, calm and collected. But they put all their eggs in the Lee basket and now they're kinda f***ed. I think if Pettite retires they're going to make a move. And you best believe KW will be in the picture. Maybe not Danks. But Jackson or Floyd for sure.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Jordan4life

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with Pettite. He's figuratively got the Yankees by their collective nuts right now. I just can't see them going into '11 with two of Nova, Mitre or Brackman. Not with their expectations, payroll, ect. Cashman is doing the correct thing in acting all cool, calm and collected. But they put all their eggs in the Lee basket and now they're kinda f***ed. I think if Pettite retires they're going to make a move. And you best believe KW will be in the picture. Maybe not Danks. But Jackson or Floyd for sure.

 

I agree.

[balfanman]

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with Pettite. He's figuratively got the Yankees by their collective nuts right now. I just can't see them going into '11 with two of Nova, Mitre or Brackman. Not with their expectations, payroll, ect. Cashman is doing the correct thing in acting all cool, calm and collected. But they put all their eggs in the Lee basket and now they're kinda f***ed. I think if Pettite retires they're going to make a move. And you best believe KW will be in the picture. Maybe not Danks. But Jackson or Floyd for sure.

 

You may be right, but I have a hard time believeing that K.W. will deal an established starter if he is really all in this season. Pitchers are always 1 pitch away from being done and for that reason you can never have too much pitching.

Edited December 22, 2010 by balfanman

[Jordan4life_2007]

You may be right, but I have a hard time believeing that K.W. will deal an established starter if he is really all in this season. Pitchers are always 1 pitch away from being done and for that reason you can never have too much pitching.

 

All depends on what the Yankees would be willing to give up.

[chw42]

If we can get Joba and Nova back for Danks, I'd be all for that trade.

[bighurt4life]

The thing about Montero is that I don't think any deal around Montero could improve the 2011 team. If it was Montero +, then that extra player would be some lower level minors guy I would assume. I'd rather take the lesser of their catching prospects if it meant we were to add to our 2011 club (Joba and Nova).

 

I'm sure that Montero doesn't help us this year but if we trade Danks (and this is all a big hypothetical) then we aren't really trying to win this year anyways right?

 

I've just seen some big trades lately where there were a lot of good prospects changing hands but no real blue-chip talent. The Greinke trade comes to mind immediately because it just happened. Also Cliff Lee to the Mariners the Phils got pretty good return but no star level talent to replace what they gave up and that is my fear if we do trade Danks. He is a star level player and led our team in every meaningful pitching category this last year except for saves. You give up someone like that and you better be getting at least one prospect with all-star potential that he is likely to realize, like Montero. Just my $0.02

[NorthSideSox72]

Everything the KW says publically is that Peavy won't be ready for April. Yet, every report we get is that he's hitting key milestones way early, already throwing in mid-December instead of January.

 

Honestly, I've thought this all along... I think that Peavy is on track for Opening week, I think the Sox know he'll be ready, and I think they are going to trade one of the starters and/or Quentin to get relief and RF help. I truly believe that's Plan A to get salary relief and improve the pen. And if Peavy is shaky at all, Sale steps in.

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

If we can get Joba and Nova back for Danks, I'd be all for that trade.

 

And that would effectively end my time as a Sox fan. That would be a terrible swap.

[chw42]

And that would effectively end my time as a Sox fan. That would be a terrible swap.

 

You just said that would be a huge haul on the last page...lol.

 

I was talking about them being part of the deal, not just those two. Romine would obviously be in it as well as Betances.

[Jordan4life_2007]

You just said that would be a huge haul on the last page...lol.

 

I was talking about them being part of the deal, not just those two. Romine would obviously be in it as well as Betances.

 

How am I suppose to assume that's what you meant when all you mention is Joba and Nova? C'mon saberboy. lol.

[chw42]

How am I suppose to assume that's what you meant when all you mention is Joba and Nova? C'mon saberboy. lol.

 

I thought internet mind reading was a hobby of yours.

[justBLAZE]

Does anyone who subscribes to insider mind sharing this http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=o...&id=5946049 piece with us.

 

It's Olney on top 10 (11) rotation in baseball. Curious to see where he projects and what he says about the White Sox.

[3E8]

Soxtalk may have a over-inflated view of what Nova is worth. Because his best start of 2010 came against...us. But he projects as a back of the rotation guy.

[maggsmaggs]

Does anyone who subscribes to insider mind sharing this http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=o...&id=5946049 piece with us.

 

It's Olney on top 10 (11) rotation in baseball. Curious to see where he projects and what he says about the White Sox.

Haha. I was about to post the same thing. Please someone!! Just the Sox portion.

[bschmaranz]

Does anyone who subscribes to insider mind sharing this http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog?name=o...&id=5946049 piece with us.

 

It's Olney on top 10 (11) rotation in baseball. Curious to see where he projects and what he says about the White Sox.

 

They're tied with the Dodgers for #10. He says it's a solid core and if Peavy bounces back, they can be great. Very short writeup, two sentences.

[Jordan4life_2007]

10b. Chicago White Sox

 

They've got a nice core of John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Mark Buehrle and Edwin Jackson, but the simple fact is that they have no idea what to expect out of Jake Peavy, who went 7-6 with a 4.63 ERA. If Peavy bounces back, this could be an excellent rotation.

 

 

[Balta1701]

If we can get Joba and Nova back for Danks, I'd be all for that trade.

It's worth noting...this would actually be a terrible deal for the Yankees. Yeah, the front end of their starting rotation would get significantly better...but they'd still be in the exact same position they are now, begging Pettitte to come back so that they can have a solid 5th starter.

 

Captain Cheeseburger

Burnett

D1

Hughes

Garcia/Mitre

[Jordan4life_2007]

It's worth noting...this would actually be a terrible deal for the Yankees. Yeah, the front end of their starting rotation would get significantly better...but they'd still be in the exact same position they are now, begging Pettitte to come back so that they can have a solid 5th starter.

 

Captain Cheeseburger

Burnett

D1

Hughes

Garcia/Mitre

 

True. But A deal like this wouldn't be just about '11. They'd have Danks under control for two years and they'd obviously be able to re-sign him once he became a FA when he'd be all of what, 27?

Edited December 22, 2010 by Jordan4life

[chw42]

They're tied with the Dodgers for #10. He says it's a solid core and if Peavy bounces back, they can be great. Very short writeup, two sentences.

 

There's 9 rotations that are better...?

 

I count Red Sox, Phillies, Giants, Cardinals, Rays, maybe Oakland, maybe Milwaukee, and I have a hard time thinking of anybody else.