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Balta1701 Grand Master

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QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 15, 2010 -> 10:23 PM)
Cowley is now tweeting that Kerry Wood MAY in fact sign with us as well.

 

Anyone else get the feeling that Jerry might be terminally ill and hates his family? Seriously, this guy is spending everything he has in a hurry....

This is a team which has been profitable the last few years and once again has serious room for revenue growth if it can get back to regularly winning ballgames, especially now that the Cubs are rebuilding and stuck with awful contracts.

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Cowley is now tweeting that Kerry Wood MAY in fact sign with us as well.

 

Anyone else get the feeling that Jerry might be terminally ill and hates his family? Seriously, this guy is spending everything he has in a hurry....

He only runs the investment group.

 

He has money, but it's not solely owned by him.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2010 -> 01:19 AM)
If the Sox truly need to save money, I'd trade Jackson for prospects to somebody and let Sale start.

Then sign Freddy for one mill or somebody of that genre.

I think Jackson will be a big part of the rotation this year, so I doubt he's going anywhere. Plus, there's already some question about Peavy, so trading Jackson leaves them with three solid starters...not good enough. As far as Freddy, he'll get a lot more than $1 million. I could see him getting 2 years for $7 or $8 million, or one year for upwards of $5 million.

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If the Sox truly need to save money, I'd trade Jackson for prospects to somebody and let Sale start.

Then sign Freddy for one mill or somebody of that genre.

 

We may run out of time on Freddy. Just read that the Yankees are looking at him as an option.

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Since I was bored on my first day of my winter internship...

 

 

Name	        Pos.	PA	wOBA	UZR	BR	DR	RR	PR	RAR	WAR
A.J. Pierzynski	C	517	0.312	0	-8.1	0	17.2	10.6	19.7	2
Ramon Castro	C	125	0.325	0	-0.5	0	4.2	2.7	6.4	0.6
Paul Konerko	1B	626	0.372	-4.2	22.9	-4.2	20.9	-11.7	27.9	2.8
Dayan Viciedo	1B	125	0.324	-2.9	-0.7	-2.9	4.2	-4	-3.4	-0.3
Gordon Beckham	2B	605	0.338	1.2	4.2	1.2	20.2	2.3	27.9	2.8
Brent Morel	3B	544	0.339	4.4	4.3	4.4	18.1	2.2	29	2.9
Omar Vizquel	3B	248	0.279	3.1	-11	3.1	8.3	1.4	1.8	0.2
Alexei Ramirez	SS	614	0.327	8.3	-1.6	8.3	20.5	7.2	34.4	3.4
Juan Pierre	LF	677	0.304	7.7	-11.3	7.7	22.6	-7.3	11.7	1.2
Alex Rios	CF	607	0.343	5.8	6.9	5.8	20.2	2.2	35.1	3.5
Carlos Quentin	RF	562	0.362	-12.8	15.6	-12.8	18.1	-6.3	14.6	1.5
Mark Teahen	RF	244	0.328	-3.1	-0.42	-3.1	8.1	-2.9	2.5	0.3
Adam Dunn	DH	674	0.383	0	31.1	0	22.5	-17.3	36.3	3.6
Total	        N/A	6168	0.333	7.5	51.38	7.5	205.1	-20.9	243.9	24.5

 

 

Last year, the White Sox position players combined for about 18.1 WAR. This is a 6.4 win improvement. All offensive stats were taken from Bill James' Handbook. The defensive stuff was mostly done by me based on career UZR/150 values at said position. If the pitching holds up, the Sox could win 95ish games with this offense.

 

I know the Morel projections are overly optimistic, but that's not exactly my doing.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 20, 2010 -> 03:04 PM)
Since I was bored on my first day of my winter internship...

 

 

Name	        Pos.	PA	wOBA	UZR	BR	DR	RR	PR	RAR	WAR
A.J. Pierzynski	C	517	0.312	0	-8.1	0	17.2	10.6	19.7	2
Ramon Castro	C	125	0.325	0	-0.5	0	4.2	2.7	6.4	0.6
Paul Konerko	1B	626	0.372	-4.2	22.9	-4.2	20.9	-11.7	27.9	2.8
Dayan Viciedo	1B	125	0.324	-2.9	-0.7	-2.9	4.2	-4	-3.4	-0.3
Gordon Beckham	2B	605	0.338	1.2	4.2	1.2	20.2	2.3	27.9	2.8
Brent Morel	3B	544	0.339	4.4	4.3	4.4	18.1	2.2	29	2.9
Omar Vizquel	3B	248	0.279	3.1	-11	3.1	8.3	1.4	1.8	0.2
Alexei Ramirez	SS	614	0.327	8.3	-1.6	8.3	20.5	7.2	34.4	3.4
Juan Pierre	LF	677	0.304	7.7	-11.3	7.7	22.6	-7.3	11.7	1.2
Alex Rios	CF	607	0.343	5.8	6.9	5.8	20.2	2.2	35.1	3.5
Carlos Quentin	RF	562	0.362	-12.8	15.6	-12.8	18.1	-6.3	14.6	1.5
Mark Teahen	RF	244	0.328	-3.1	-0.42	-3.1	8.1	-2.9	2.5	0.3
Adam Dunn	DH	674	0.383	0	31.1	0	22.5	-17.3	36.3	3.6
Total	        N/A	6168	0.333	7.5	51.38	7.5	205.1	-20.9	243.9	24.5

 

 

Last year, the White Sox position players combined for about 18.1 WAR. This is a 6.4 win improvement. All offensive stats were taken from Bill James' Handbook. The defensive stuff was mostly done by me based on career UZR/150 values at said position. If the pitching holds up, the Sox could win 95ish games with this offense.

 

I know the Morel projections are overly optimistic, but that's not exactly my doing.

 

Nice work. And lol at CQ's UZR and DR projections. What's sad is that would be a substantial improvement over the debacle that was his 2010 defense.

 

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 20, 2010 -> 04:47 PM)
Nice work. And lol at CQ's UZR and DR projections. What's sad is that would be a substantial improvement over the debacle that was his 2010 defense.

 

I just took his UZR/150 from LF. I did that with the hope that his foot injuries are now healed somehow.

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QUOTE (That funky motion @ Dec 20, 2010 -> 09:19 PM)
I few of my friends in NY are saying the Yanks are looking at Floyd. They also said that Cashman called Kenny and he said, everyone but Floyd and Jackson are off limits. Anybody hear anything about this. I found this blog but that's it. Blog

 

I have. They've got multiple threads over at nyyfans.com. I'd be open to dealing either for the right package.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2010 -> 08:38 AM)
They might be more hesitant now that Crawford is off the market. I don't know who they'd replace him with.

 

How about something like either Floyd or Jackson, + Pierre for Gardner, + 1 of their cathing prospects?

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2010 -> 09:02 AM)
I think the Sox would be open to it but I think the Yankees would seriously hesitate.

 

Understandably so; but how desperate are they for pitching help. This is when you need to take advantage of them, not just help them.

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QUOTE (balfanman @ Dec 21, 2010 -> 09:13 AM)
Understandably so; but how desperate are they for pitching help. This is when you need to take advantage of them, not just help them.

Even if the Yankees have no confidence in the back end of their rotation right now, I don't think they'd get truly desperate until the season starts. They still have a legit ace at the top, Hughes may be young but he is on his way up, and they have a lot of money invested in Burnett.

 

If you went into the season with CC, Burnett, Hughes, Nova, and then some combination of Mitre/Garcia as your starting rotation, you wouldn't think "This is the worst rotation I've ever seen". It might not be a "The Yankees will win 130 games" rotation, but if I asked "What's sillier, going into ST with that rotation or going into ST with Mark Kotsay as your DH", I'd clearly point at the 2nd option.

 

They could well go into the season and see 3 of those guys blow up, then hang around the .500 mark for April and May. IF that happens, that's when they get desperate.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2010 -> 08:17 AM)
Even if the Yankees have no confidence in the back end of their rotation right now, I don't think they'd get truly desperate until the season starts. They still have a legit ace at the top, Hughes may be young but he is on his way up, and they have a lot of money invested in Burnett.

 

If you went into the season with CC, Burnett, Hughes, Nova, and then some combination of Mitre/Garcia as your starting rotation, you wouldn't think "This is the worst rotation I've ever seen". It might not be a "The Yankees will win 130 games" rotation, but if I asked "What's sillier, going into ST with that rotation or going into ST with Mark Kotsay as your DH", I'd clearly point at the 2nd option.

 

They could well go into the season and see 3 of those guys blow up, then hang around the .500 mark for April and May. IF that happens, that's when they get desperate.

 

 

I have to think that the moves that Boston made this year has them really uncomfortable with their starting pitching situation. They might be even more desperate than we know. I know that the Rays have lost several pieces, but there's a chance that the Yankees could miss the playoffs this coming season, and that won't sit well with them.

 

I guess we'll have to wait until the season starts to see what happens.

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