EvilMonkey Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2013 -> 04:08 PM) So is the answer that we should instead work to ensure that these millions of Americans can't access our health care system (i.e. wait time=∞) so that the wait time for those of us with access doesn't increase? Or? Didn't say anything, other than whoever said there was no shortage of doctors was wrong. Read into that whatever you want, but don't pretend it's all going to be milk and honey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 So BCBS of NC is the ONLY insurer participating in the health exchange here. So they can charge whatever they want. Looks like I'm stuck with the $90 => $306 hike unless I want to drop down to the Bronze, which is still $220. This sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 There are plenty of doctors, but our current system discourages people from becoming primary care physicians. It is well known that fixing our immigration system and the way the medical industry looks at foreign medical training would easily fix this, as there are lots of doctors from across the world that want to be primary care physicians in the USA. We generally treat all foreign medical training as null and void, requiring any doctor that can manage to immigrate here to then go to school for several years to receive American certification. Part of the reason nobody in the USA wants to become a primary care physician is because we don't help people go to college, so they must choose their specialty based almost solely on the most lucrative thing they could possibly be allowed to do since they are forced to take on an ungodly amount of debt to perform such an essential service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 2, 2013 -> 04:52 PM) There are plenty of doctors, but our current system discourages people from becoming primary care physicians. It is well known that fixing our immigration system and the way the medical industry looks at foreign medical training would easily fix this, as there are lots of doctors from across the world that want to be primary care physicians in the USA. We generally treat all foreign medical training as null and void, requiring any doctor that can manage to immigrate here to then go to school for several years to receive American certification. Part of the reason nobody in the USA wants to become a primary care physician is because we don't help people go to college, so they must choose their specialty based almost solely on the most lucrative thing they could possibly be allowed to do since they are forced to take on an ungodly amount of debt to perform such an essential service. Instead of 'we don't help' how about 'college is just too damn expensive'. Put the blame right where it belongs, at the people providing it. it costs too much. Figure a way to make it cost too much instead of using taxpayer monies to go to pay for people to go to college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If taxpayer subsidization of higher education would solve the problem, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If taxpayer subsidization of higher education would solve the problem, why not? I have a hard time swallowing taxpayer subsidization of higher education when so many universities have $1B+ endowments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 2, 2013 -> 05:00 PM) I have a hard time swallowing taxpayer subsidization of higher education when so many universities have $1B+ endowments. I was thinking vastly improved funding of state schools. At a bare minimum, restoring the huge cuts. Not giving money to Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I was thinking vastly improved funding of state schools. At a bare minimum, restoring the huge cuts. Not giving money to Harvard. A lot of state schools have $1B+ endowments, too. Especially the ones with the better medical schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I really gotta just scoff whenever I hear people talking about how this whole thing was never debated. I have to wonder where the hell they were for a year and a half... we tried having a debate and a bunch of angry people got up and started shouting and about the only semi-coherent idea I can ever remembering that resembled a suggestion for a solution was "tort reform." I have no clue what the GOP's idea for healthcare reform is because it doesn't exist... they kinda paid lip service to the idea of keeping the restricting of denying customers with pre-existing conditions but that's the point of the mandate, otherwise doing that by itself will f*** everything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2013 -> 07:14 PM) I was thinking vastly improved funding of state schools. At a bare minimum, restoring the huge cuts. Not giving money to Harvard. Of course, you could also give money to people. As far as all that goes though, it was much, much cheaper for me to go to Harvard than UIUC. My parents made almost double the median income of the USA and that was the case. I didn't end up going to Harvard since an undergrad education there is a borderline scam, but the LAC that I ended up attending was always much cheaper. I also love how I had earned a Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarship from the federal government...then Robert C. Byrd died and it was mere months before that was defunded. Thanks, I'm glad we can build some more tanks now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 So you were funded for school by the KKK? -Just getting this in there before mr. genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) About That “Job-Killing Obamacare” News flash: Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest employer, announced Monday that 35,000 part-time employees will soon be moved to full-time status, entitling them to the full healthcare benefits that were scheduled to be denied them as a result of Wal-Mart’s efforts to avoid the requirements of Obamacare. Not a p.r. move. Apparently, Wal-Mart is struggling with its model of basement-level wages and piss-poor service. Having a workforce that is healthy, they are finally recognizing, can be an economic advantage. Imagine that! LINK Edited October 3, 2013 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It's really not much of a secret. Put a little effort into making the lives of your employees a little better and easier (even if it costs a little more money) and they will be much more willing to work a little harder and will actually want to stay with the company. It's amazing how many companies don't realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 3, 2013 -> 12:07 PM) LINK probably the same 35,000 they moved to part time status back in May. My son included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 probably the same 35,000 they moved to part time status back in May. My son included. You were supposed to have forgotten all about that by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 3, 2013 -> 03:46 PM) probably the same 35,000 they moved to part time status back in May. My son included. Dude I forgot you were old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 3, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) Dude I forgot you were old. Yeah, too bad I can't forget that. They had cut his hours down to 28 a while back when they had him at 40. They kept saying they would get him into the full time slot that someone left, but kept losing the paperwork, forgetting a signature and so on. Finally he just got another job at Grainger with a 30% increase. next day they told him they got the paperwork done. Too bad he quit. LOL. Just wait, you will get all those stories with Ritchie in time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 3, 2013 -> 10:44 PM) Yeah, too bad I can't forget that. They had cut his hours down to 28 a while back when they had him at 40. They kept saying they would get him into the full time slot that someone left, but kept losing the paperwork, forgetting a signature and so on. Finally he just got another job at Grainger with a 30% increase. next day they told him they got the paperwork done. Too bad he quit. LOL. Just wait, you will get all those stories with Ritchie in time..... Grainger is a solid company to work for, I know a couple people who work there. Should do well for your son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Somebody here works for grainger, bigruss maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I like analogies. I’ve seen some recently for the shutdown. I was thinking about ObamaCare this morning, and here’s how I’d describe it. Kind of falls under the old saying: the Democrats are the party of bad ideas, and the Republicans are the party of no ideas. Just imagine that health care… is candy… Americans (US): We don’t like the candy we pay for and get right now. Not good candy. We’d like more, better candy. Democrats (DEM): No problem! We’ll give you the best candy you’ve ever seen, and for cheap too! US: *skeptical look* Yeah, OK. Just try to make it better, alright? Republicans (GOP): Tort reform for lawsuits against candy companies! Problem solved! US: Well, I guess that’s OK. But I’m not sure that… DEM & GOP: Great, we’re going to go solve your problem now! *go into closed office* DEM & GOP: *much arguing is heard through the door* DEM: Alright, we’ve solved your problem. Here you go! *drops 2000+ page ACA bill on table* US: Wow. That is one big pile of s***. With some… candy stuck in it. GOP: Yeah, that is one big pile of s***! Nice going, Dems. DEM: Yeah OK you have to pick it out, but look at that fabulous candy! US: um… GOP: Wait a second, you can’t just put a pile of s*** on this table, that’s illegal! DEM: Nuh uh! GOP: Yeah huh! DEM: Too bad, you passed it. GOP: I’m taking you to court! US: Hello? Over here. I have some questions about how to approach this… SCOTUS: Taxes are legal. Taxes are s***. Therefore, by the transitive theory, s*** is legal. *gavel strike* GOP: WHAT?!?!?! DEM: AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOP: This fight isn’t over yet! Watch this… US: Why is it not over? GOP: *votes 35 times to defund ObamaCare, fails each time* DEM: Really with this? GOP: That’s it, we’re going nuclear. DEM: Oh here we go… US: Wait, what is happening here? GOP: No more candy or chips or anything else for anyone until we end ObamaCare. Shut it all down! DEM: Hey look – the Republicans shut down the government! GOP: Nuh uh! DEM: Yeah huh! US: Are you guys even aware we’re still here? DEM: What alternative do you suggest? What changes would you make to the candy? *crickets* GOP: *picks nose* GOP: s*** sucks! Candy sucks! US: *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 ^^ thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 There's a key component missing, though: Americans (US): Millions of us don't have any candy at all and we literally die because of it. It doesn't look like this happens in any other developed country in the world?? Please fix this, thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yeah, I think that whole conversation was ridiculous. The ACA fixes the problem of the uninsured because of money and because of pre-existing conditions. Now make this work without cost controls, because socialism. Now make this as revenue neutral as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Also left out of the conversation: liberals and leftists advocating for a real, actual fix that works in every other OECD country. Though I suppose that's accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 4, 2013 -> 09:59 AM) There's a key component missing, though: Americans (US): Millions of us don't have any candy at all and we literally die because of it. It doesn't look like this happens in any other developed country in the world?? Please fix this, thanks in advance! Link? I'm interested to see how many people die from not receiving medical care in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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