OBAMA/TRUMPCARE MEGATHREAD

[StrangeSox]

[Soxbadger]

To be fair, Id say that their best comparison is frat brothers, and while you may not trust them with your money or to accomplish tasks like addition or subtraction, they always come through with beer for the party.

[StrangeSox]

voting now

 

 

pretty much every single industry, trade or lobbying group tangentially associated with health care has come strongly against this bill.

[Dick Allen]

To be fair, Id say that their best comparison is frat brothers, and while you may not trust them with your money or to accomplish tasks like addition or subtraction, they always come through with beer for the party.

When I was in college, a guy who was social chairman ran for president of our house. His platform was he never ran out of beer at a party. He won.

[bmags]

This is going to pass.

[StrangeSox]

bill passed

 

House Republicans celebrating by singing "nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, good bye" on the house floor.

 

truly evil people

[Soxbadger]

This is going to pass.

 

As Nelson Muntz would say:

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/04/politics/oba...ions/index.html

 

HA-HA

 

I should run as Governor of IL on the platform of building a wall to separate Illinois from Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri and Tennessee. Hopefully none of them get smart and move to our state for the insurance.

[bmags]

I hope whomever this texas democrat is, it is made clear she will have no funding and the worst possible committees.

[Balta1701]

Congrats on killing so many undeserving!

[StrangeSox]

I hope whomever this texas democrat is, it is made clear she will have no funding and the worst possible committees.

 

a couple of people always fat-finger their electronic votes, final vote was 0 democrats in favor

 

[Soxbadger]

Congrats on killing so many undeserving!

 

Jokes on you, nobody dies. Instead they just cant afford insurance, will get treatment at hospitals and those costs will get passed on to taxpayers and to people who have insurance.

 

HA HA HA HA we all will have higher bills! Well except for people like me who have the "Cadillac" plans. Ill probably get some sort of discount, because never ever forget about the wealthy guy.

 

USA USA USA!

[StrangeSox]

bill passed

 

House Republicans celebrating by singing "nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, good bye" on the house floor.

 

truly evil people

 

that was Democrats singing it to Republicans on the assumption that a lot of them will be tossed out in 2018.

 

I hope they're right.

[StrangeSox]

Congrats on killing so many undeserving!

 

but the rich get another tax cut they so desperately need! does everyone else really need health insurance?

[bmags]

a couple of people always fat-finger their electronic votes, final vote was 0 democrats in favor

 

 

That's remarkable. Thanks.

[Balta1701]

Jokes on you, nobody dies.

Yes they do. They don't go to the emergency room or they're not cared for there because it's a chronic condition and they wind up turned away. Having dealt with a chronic condition and uninsurable, yeah it is lethal.

[StrangeSox]

 

24 Million!

[Soxbadger]

Yes they do. They don't go to the emergency room or they're not cared for there because it's a chronic condition and they wind up turned away. Having dealt with a chronic condition and uninsurable, yeah it is lethal.

 

If they dont go to the emergency room that is on them, but (I could be wrong), the emergency room will give them treatment in an emergency. It just costs much more than treating it early on.

 

This was the whole point of Obamacare, that you tried to make an incentive to go to the doctor so that it was cheaper for everyone.

 

 

[RockRaines]

If they dont go to the emergency room that is on them, but (I could be wrong), the emergency room will give them treatment in an emergency. It just costs much more than treating it early on.

 

This was the whole point of Obamacare, that you tried to make an incentive to go to the doctor so that it was cheaper for everyone.

It will bankrupt them for sure.

[StrangeSox]

If they dont go to the emergency room that is on them, but (I could be wrong), the emergency room will give them treatment in an emergency. It just costs much more than treating it early on.

 

This was the whole point of Obamacare, that you tried to make an incentive to go to the doctor so that it was cheaper for everyone.

 

They will stabilize life-threatening cases. They don't treat chronic illnesses that need routine care and medication. If this bill passes the Senate, it will directly lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans from otherwise treatable illnesses.

 

It will bankrupt them for sure.

 

 

That too.

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[LittleHurt05]

that was Democrats singing it to Republicans on the assumption that a lot of them will be tossed out in 2018.

 

I hope they're right.

 

I don't know if that's the safest assumption. It would require many Republican voters to select the person with a "D" next to their name, and that's easier said than done. Two-party system FTW!

[StrangeSox]

I don't know if that's the safest assumption. It would require many Republican voters to select the person with a "D" next to their name, and that's easier said than done. Two-party system FTW!

 

That, or a mobilized D base and demoralized R base in relatively close districts!

 

There were a decent number of Obama->Trump crossover voters, and some recently published analysis says that was the difference in 2016.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/...on-anxiety.html

[Quin]

I don't know if that's the safest assumption. It would require many Republican voters to select the person with a "D" next to their name, and that's easier said than done. Two-party system FTW!

 

Red states are gonna get hit pretty hard. Killing off your voting base really isn't a good strategy.

[Soxbadger]

It will bankrupt them for sure.

 

Yeah, but most of those debts cant be collected. Which will result in higher prices for everyone else's insurance.

 

The real problem is that most people just dont understand how insurance works, so they latch onto arguments like "Why should I pay for someone else who is sicker than me?"

 

Well that is exactly how insurance works in every single insurance industry. The scary part is that the "healthy" people dont seem to realize that its way better to be "healthy" and pay more money, than be "sick" and getting insurance coverage.

 

Literally they dont even comprehend the idea that paying an extra thousand a year is better than having cancer.

[StrangeSox]

Yeah, but most of those debts cant be collected. Which will result in higher prices for everyone else's insurance.

 

The real problem is that most people just dont understand how insurance works, so they latch onto arguments like "Why should I pay for someone else who is sicker than me?"

 

Well that is exactly how insurance works in every single insurance industry. The scary part is that the "healthy" people dont seem to realize that its way better to be "healthy" and pay more money, than be "sick" and getting insurance coverage.

 

Literally they dont even comprehend the idea that paying an extra thousand a year is better than having cancer.

 

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is one of those who does not comprehend how insurance works.

[Soxbadger]

They will stabilize life-threatening cases. They don't treat chronic illnesses that need routine care and medication. If this bill passes the Senate, it will directly lead to the deaths of thousands of Americans from otherwise treatable illnesses.

 

 

 

 

That too.

 

 

I really dont want to get into this argument, but the "people will die" argument is a losing argument so perhaps people need to reframe the argument. Because right now, most people are going to end up paying more money for less healthcare. Only the top insurance plans will likely see decreases.