OBAMA/TRUMPCARE MEGATHREAD

[Reddy]

But here's the thing man..

 

I really am serious.

 

Some poor guy in an awful decaying industrial town who doesnt really go to the doctor is paying like 4 times what he should be so you can live in New York chasing the dream and getting your vocal chords checked on the cheap. Thats not ever going to end, thats a lifetime for him. He's down at the plant and youre trying to be an actor the big city. Forever.

 

Hes got dreams too. Maybe he really wants to restore an old Mustang or he really likes the Lord of the Rings movies and wants to go to New Zealand. It could be anything, the key point is because you living your dream requires a subsidy he cannot live his.

 

You say your appreciate it (you f***ing better) and that youd do likewise to someone else if you had enough money. But you dont, and you cant. Thats what makes everything you say so hollow. I mean its easy for you to say you'd be all magnanimous but when youre living on the backs of someone elses hard work to chase a dream youve already established a strong disconnect from reality.

 

Its wrong. On a lot of levels. And you cant justify it by spitting out your fantasy world hypotheticals because this is actually happening. Its here, you are living your dream and hes stuck wishing. Maybe he should make more, maybe the rich are f***ing people over and maybe your big socialist dreamworld will make it all better. I feel strongly that it wont but I entertain the notion that I could be mistaken.

 

This, the money youre getting and the unbelievable f***ing nerve you have to brag about it, is totally and unequivocally wrong. I am 100% certain there is no ethical framework short of sociopathy that accomodates it. It enrages me, makes me sad, makes me feel physically ill just thinking about it.

 

So seriously, evaluate yourself. My grandparents who worked for Inland and US Steel for 40 years would disown me if I was doing what youre doing. My big liberal parents wouldnt invite me to Thanksgiving. Not that I would ever even think about taking the money anyways, I just couldnt sleep at night knowing what I was doing.

 

One simple question:

 

Why can't your fellow in that industrial town change his circumstances? You're all about freedom right? If he's not happy in his situation and wants to be doing something else or chasing his dream, then tell me why the hell he doesn't do it? He has that option available to him too! He's not a victim (as you portray him to be) unless he decides to be. That is his choice.

 

The government didn't create this program for me personally - but for everyone in the country. Do you truly, truly believe that if your hypothetical man had the OPTION of a subsidy he wouldn't take it? Do you think he takes tax credits every April? Do you think his farm is subsidized by the government? I'm paying for that! So you see, it all goes around in one big circle. He pays for my health care, I pay for his farm. You're so good at playing the victim even though you think you're this high and mighty fend-for-myself type character. But the reality is you're a wannabe martyr. You want to fall on your sword left and right proving how high above us all you are.

 

And the sad thing is? You drive a truck for a living. Yikes. Could you be more delusional?

[StrangeSox]

There is nothing wrong with driving a truck or any other blue-collar labor. I wish people wouldn't use that as an insult.

[pettie4sox]

There is nothing wrong with driving a truck or any other blue-collar labor. I wish people wouldn't use that as an insult.

 

+1

 

Reddy don't go to that level man. It's just not worth it.

[Reddy]

There is nothing wrong with driving a truck or any other blue-collar labor. I wish people wouldn't use that as an insult.

 

After what he wrote about me, that's what you take away from my response? Pathetic.

[Reddy]

+1

 

Reddy don't go to that level man. It's just not worth it.

 

But to USE that blue collar job and hold it up and shove it in others' faces as if YOU'RE doing REAL WORK while the rest of us are just "parasites"? Come on man. That's the point I'm making. Please tell me you understand that.

[StrangeSox]

That's not the only thing I take from your response, but labor, especially blue-collar labor, doesn't need liberals using it as a whipping boy or an insult.

[pettie4sox]

But to USE that blue collar job and hold it up and shove it in others' faces as if YOU'RE doing REAL WORK while the rest of us are just "parasites"? Come on man. That's the point I'm making. Please tell me you understand that.

 

You have been going to war with Duke a long time from the ferocity of both of your posts. You know what Duke is at this point as he has made it perfectly clear that he has been consistent in his stances.

 

I understand your sentiment but I just don't think that last jab was necessary. Obviously, that's just my opinion.

[Y2HH]

You have been going to war with Duke a long time from the ferocity of both of your posts. You know what Duke is at this point as he has made it perfectly clear that he has been consistent in his stances.

 

I understand your sentiment but I just don't think that last jab was necessary. Obviously, that's just my opinion.

 

Forced to agree with that opinion.

 

Reddy was making a solid point until he took that swipe, it made it impossible for me to remember or pay attention to the rest of what he said.

[Reddy]

Forced to agree with that opinion.

 

Reddy was making a solid point until he took that swipe, it made it impossible for me to remember or pay attention to the rest of what he said.

It wasn't meant to be a jab at blue collar jobs or others that do them. Obviously it's important that people do these jobs and yes - there is nothing wrong with being a blue collar worker. (I feel like a politician "clarifying" my position. haha)

 

It was just meant to illustrate the martyrdom he tries to achieve and that I described in my response to pettie. I personally find it ironic that a truck driver could be so holier-than-thou about another person's chosen profession, but I also understand how that comes off as me - in turn - feeling that same superiority. So I get where you're coming from. My bad.

[Y2HH]

It wasn't meant to be a jab at blue collar jobs or others that do them. Obviously it's important that people do these jobs and yes - there is nothing wrong with being a blue collar worker. (I feel like a politician "clarifying" my position. haha)

 

It was just meant to illustrate the martyrdom he tries to achieve and that I described in my response to pettie. I personally find it ironic that a truck driver could be so holier-than-thou about another person's chosen profession, but I also understand how that comes off as me - in turn - feeling that same superiority. So I get where you're coming from. My bad.

 

I'll play the media to your politician:

 

Bill O'Reilly: Nice filibuster there, Reddy. What you should have done was simply disagree with him about your chosen lifestyle, versus being insulted that a truck driver -- of all people -- has the gall to be insulted. Whether he's a janitor or a doctor shouldn't come into play.

 

Pinhead.

[DukeNukeEm]

Guys, I've been saying s*** a lot worse about public employees for months. Lay off.

 

I have to drive in like 2 minutes so I'll say my bit later.

[Reddy]

I'll play the media to your politician:

 

Bill O'Reilly: Nice filibuster there, Reddy. What you should have done was simply disagree with him about your chosen lifestyle, versus being insulted that a truck driver -- of all people -- has the gall to be insulted. Whether he's a janitor or a doctor shouldn't come into play.

 

Pinhead.

 

 

EDIT: (And if I were a politician you'd be absolutely right. But as I'm a person, and a person who's proud of what he does, yes... yes I actually do look down on someone who drives a truck IF he has other things he'd rather do with his life)

Edited November 22, 2013 by Reddy

[Y2HH]

 

At least you understand my sense of humor.

 

[Reddy]

At least you understand my sense of humor.

 

 

we've gone enough rounds for me to pick up on it by this point i think

 

[Iwritecode]

Where does the 3 billion number come from?

 

Because I'm an idiot.

 

I looked up the US population because I wasn't sure about it and saw a 3 with a bunch of zeros behind it. I assumed 3 billion instead of 300 million. I should have known better.

[bmags]

Clearly the takeaway from Duke's post is that housing policy needs to be reevaluated in America.

[cabiness42]

There is nothing wrong with driving a truck or any other blue-collar labor. I wish people wouldn't use that as an insult.

 

He wouldn't understand the insults anyway. He complains about the laziness of government employees, some of whom built the roads he uses to make his living.

[Reddy]

Guys, I've been saying s*** a lot worse about public employees for months. Lay off.

 

I have to drive in like 2 minutes so I'll say my bit later.

 

Well?

[DukeNukeEm]

One simple question:

 

Why can't your fellow in that industrial town change his circumstances? You're all about freedom right? If he's not happy in his situation and wants to be doing something else or chasing his dream, then tell me why the hell he doesn't do it? He has that option available to him too! He's not a victim (as you portray him to be) unless he decides to be. That is his choice.

 

The government didn't create this program for me personally - but for everyone in the country. Do you truly, truly believe that if your hypothetical man had the OPTION of a subsidy he wouldn't take it? Do you think he takes tax credits every April? Do you think his farm is subsidized by the government? I'm paying for that! So you see, it all goes around in one big circle. He pays for my health care, I pay for his farm. You're so good at playing the victim even though you think you're this high and mighty fend-for-myself type character. But the reality is you're a wannabe martyr. You want to fall on your sword left and right proving how high above us all you are.

 

And the sad thing is? You drive a truck for a living. Yikes. Could you be more delusional?

This took a while, no cell service on Jekyll Island nor rural West Virginia. Im not stopping just to write on Soxtalk, sorry.

 

Well I can think of one thing that doesn't help my "fellow" change his circumstances, the $400/mo he burns for you to keep in performing shape comes to mind. And that was kind of my initial point, not everyone gets to do whatever the hell they want. A lot of us have to settle for hard work doing something we dont like so we can save to do something else (the fact I have to explain that to you literally pains me).

 

And what if his dream is to just not work? Like he doesnt care what hes doing now just if he can stash enough money to retire at 40 he'll be happy. Start adding up those higher insurance premiums in your head over the course of years... ow. But hey, a thousand miles away we got some guy freelancing in the most expensive city in the Western Hemisphere managing only to afford it because of state handouts saying "live your dream man!" Obviously, thats a little easy for you to say.

 

Ive maintained consistently that if you can support yourself independently I dont give a s*** what you do. But once you cross that state subsidy line you are stealing other people's money and using it for yourself. You are no different than a viral infection, you feed off a host until either the host fights you off or you drain it to death. Youre a disease, a blight.

 

Reddy, you are not living the dream nearly as much as you are living in one.

 

Ive said my peice, I asked politely to be left alone by you because you're so repulsive and you instigated me into asking not so nicely.

Edited November 24, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[Reddy]

This took a while, no cell service on Jekyll Island nor rural West Virginia. Im not stopping just to write on Soxtalk, sorry.

 

Well I can think of one thing that doesn't help my "fellow" change his circumstances, the $400/mo he burns for you to keep in performing shape comes to mind. And that was kind of my initial point, not everyone gets to do whatever the hell they want. A lot of us have to settle for hard work doing something we dont like so we can save to do something else (the fact I have to explain that to you literally pains me).

 

And what if his dream is to just not work? Like he doesnt care what hes doing now just if he can stash enough money to retire at 40 he'll be happy. Start adding up those higher insurance premiums in your head over the course of years... ow. But hey, a thousand miles away we got some guy freelancing in the most expensive city in the Western Hemisphere managing only to afford it because of state handouts saying "live your dream man!" Obviously, thats a little easy for you to say.

 

Ive maintained consistently that if you can support yourself independently I dont give a s*** what you do. But once you cross that state subsidy line you are stealing other people's money and using it for yourself. You are no different than a viral infection, you feed off a host until either the host fights you off or you drain it to death. Youre a disease, a blight.

 

Reddy, you are not living the dream nearly as much as you are living in one.

 

Ive said my peice, I asked politely to be left alone by you because you're so repulsive and you instigated me into asking not so nicely.

Can't make any new valid points, spends paragraphs rehashing things he's already said and resorts to name calling and insults. When are you going to grow up?

 

And mods.... what has this kid done to deserve to get reinstated time after time when he clearly isn't learning? Blight? Disease? Repulsive? Really?

 

I'm not at all offended because I just feel bad for the guy, but maybe the political section of this forum isn't the place for him anymore. Just my opinion. I was legitimately trying to have a real discussion this time.

[DukeNukeEm]

Youre not talking about the subsidies argument you made, are you?

 

Hey, heres my novel idea, no subsidies for anyone or anything. None! Because all it does is take our money, filter it through a bureaucracy then take whats left and dump it to whoever is politically connected enough. You wouldnt like that though, becomes someone needs to pay for your vocal chords and it sure as hell wont be you.

 

And even if I had to accept a world with subsidies I'd rather they go to food than your voice.

[Jake]

I'm not going to bother reading through all of this, but does this mean Reddy must be politically connected?

[DukeNukeEm]

I was legitimately trying to have a real discussion this time.

Oh please. Dude, I dont really care about poking fun at me for driving q truck. I know in New York the blue collar world is seen as just a romantic vision of the Gilded Age that you only say you "respect" because you're so devoid of masculinity due to a lifetime of childhood, but dont go playing innocence lost now. You took a shot at me, I was OK, grow up and stop running to some authority figure to protect you.

 

Also, as an aside, want to know why the wage earning middle class votes conservative they way do? I give you Reddy, your party would own every seat in both houses if it wasnt for smug liberal elitism oozing from the trendy cities whos existence we enable.

[Balta1701]

Also, as an aside, want to know why the wage earning middle class votes conservative they way do?

(of course, worth pointing out that by any reasonable definition of "Middle Class" based on economics, Obama won that demographic)

[Reddy]

Oh please. Dude, I dont really care about poking fun at me for driving q truck. I know in New York the blue collar world is seen as just a romantic vision of the Gilded Age that you only say you "respect" because you're so devoid of masculinity due to a lifetime of childhood, but dont go playing innocence lost now. You took a shot at me, I was OK, grow up and stop running to some authority figure to protect you.

 

Also, as an aside, want to know why the wage earning middle class votes conservative they way do? I give you Reddy, your party would own every seat in both houses if it wasnt for smug liberal elitism oozing from the trendy cities whos existence we enable.

The reason the wage earning "middle class" (is there one?) votes conservative is Jesus. The end. But that's another discussion.

 

And yes Balta is right, I think Duke meant lower class.

Edited November 24, 2013 by Reddy