Dick Allen Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) This is so not surprising. The GOP is not the party of unity. They have no problem voting against the rest of their party when they don't believe in something. Politicians are worried about getting re-elected. If Trump were more popular, they would have had the votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 So easy. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/0...promise-so-easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) This is so not surprising. The GOP is not the party of unity. They have no problem voting against the rest of their party when they don't believe in something. They were sure united in voting against everything the Obama administration threw out there over the last 8 years. The fact that, as a bloc they do not share the same vision on health care does not a party of free thinkers make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Paul Ryan is about to be a fall guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 06:04 PM) Paul Ryan is about to be a fall guy That's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Just think if the GOP contributed to the bill 7 years ago. Our system is f***ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/201...re-trump-214947 Inside the GOP's health care debacle Donald Trump had heard enough about policy and process. It was Thursday afternoon and members of the House Freedom Caucus were peppering the president with wonkish concerns about the American Health Care Act—the language that would leave Obamacare’s “essential health benefits” in place, the community rating provision that limited what insurers could charge certain patients, and whether the next two steps of Speaker Paul Ryan’s master plan were even feasible—when Trump decided to cut them off. "Forget about the little s***," Trump said, according to multiple sources in the room. "Let's focus on the big picture here." The group of roughly 30 House conservatives, gathered around a mammoth, oval-shaped conference table in the Cabinet Room of the White House, exchanged disapproving looks. Trump wanted to emphasize the political ramifications of the bill's defeat; specifically, he said, it would derail his first-term agenda and imperil his prospects for reelection in 2020. The lawmakers nodded and said they understood. And yet they were disturbed by his dismissiveness. For many of the members, the "little s***" meant the policy details that could make or break their support for the bill—and have far-reaching implications for their constituents and the country. "We’re talking about one-fifth of our economy," a member told me afterward. Ultimately, the meeting failed to move any votes. Two Freedom Caucus members—Brian Babin and Ted Poe, both of Texas—told the president that they had switched to yes, but their decisions had already been registered with White House vote-counters prior to sitting down with Trump. (Their colleagues didn't appreciate the gesture, feeling that Babin and Poe were trying to score points with the president at their expense.) Upon returning to Capitol Hill, the Freedom Caucus gathered in a meeting room inside the Rayburn office building, discussed Trump's admonitions to them and took another vote. The tally had not changed: Of the group’s roughly three dozen members, two-thirds remained opposed, with only five or six of those saying they were "soft" in that stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 That's a good article on the background of the negotiations that went on. Wapo has a good look inside too. Trump kept asking aides "is this really a good bill?" https://t.co/glhT4Kwe6w And basketball fans got treated to pre purchased ad buys celebrating Obamacare repeal last night. https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/845453917064441857 The kicker on this is that Comstock was one of the public no votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 SuperPACs continue to be a great use of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) He mows says he has been saying all along the best thing is to let Obaamcare implode because then they will get the better deal. OK. The problem is his administration is going to do whatever they can to make Obamacare implode so he can get on with wealth care. No mention of fixing the problems with Obamacare seems rather puzzling until you' realize this is US politics. Like was mentioned previously, the POTUS actually wishing for a scenario that would undoubtedly cost American lives is unprecedented. Why isn't fixing Obamacare a consideration for the right if they are so concerned with US citizens, and want them to have better, cheaper health care? Edited March 25, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 09:42 AM) He mows says he has been saying all along the best thing is to let Obaamcare implode because then they will get the better deal. OK. The problem is his administration is going to do whatever they can to make Obamacare implode so he can get on with wealth care. No mention of fixing the problems with Obamacare seems rather puzzling until you' realize this is US politics. Like was mentioned previously, the POTUS actually wishing for a scenario that would undoubtedly cost American lives is unprecedented. Why isn't fixing Obamacare a consideration for the right if they are so concerned with US citizens, and want them to have better, cheaper health care? There's an ongoing lawsuit right now where House Republicans were suing to have the courts rule that the ACA subsidies weren't properly funded. If Trump really is going to gleefully and openly cheer for the collapse of health care for millions of Americans, this is the easiest way. He can choose to instruct his government to simply not defend the lawsuit in court. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obam...-lawsuit-231724 FWIW the CBO has also recently said that the ACA exchanges are stable, so unless this lawsuit were to succeed, ACA won't be collapsing in on itself before exploding any time soon even with Congress and the WH trying to break and cause harm to Americans who rely on it every way they can. Trump cutting all advertising for the exchange enrollment period is believed to be the cause of lower than expected signups this year, and there's a federal investigation of that underway. Edited March 25, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 09:50 AM) There's an ongoing lawsuit right now where House Republicans were suing to have the courts rule that the ACA subsidies weren't properly funded. If Trump really is going to gleefully and openly cheer for the collapse of health care for millions of Americans, this is the easiest way. He can choose to instruct his government to simply not defend the lawsuit in court. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/obam...-lawsuit-231724 FWIW the CBO has also recently said that the ACA exchanges are stable, so unless this lawsuit were to succeed, ACA won't be collapsing in on itself before exploding any time soon even with Congress and the WH trying to break and cause harm to Americans who rely on it every way they can. Trump cutting all advertising for the exchange enrollment period is believed to be the cause of lower than expected signups this year, and there's a federal investigation of that underway. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tru...fate/ar-BByIkWN http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/20...surance-status/ President Trump’s executive order restraining Obamacare is already in effect at the IRS. The IRS will (now) accept tax returns that do not declare health insurance status. https://www.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-explod...1--finance.html Edited March 25, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/845708586051420160 Edited March 25, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trum...ret-pact-236507 How a secret pact made by the House Freedom Caucus brought down ObamaCare repeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Seeing on Twitter that Virginia and Kansas now look likely to take Medicaid expansion. edit: said Nebraska meant kansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) Seeing on Twitter that Virginia and Kansas now look likely to take Medicaid expansion. edit: said Nebraska meant kansas. Well, KS pretty much has run out of financing options at the state and local level. The government there is sub Trump level in terms of popularity. http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-go...e141024998.html Brownback's office STILL talking veto if bill passes to get to his desk Edited March 27, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Seeing on Twitter that Virginia and Kansas now look likely to take Medicaid expansion. edit: said Nebraska meant kansas. Also Georgia. http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/03/27/ge...lans-implosion/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Healthcare flop Republicans mostly blame the U.S. Congress, and not President Donald Trump or party leaders, for failing to pass their party's healthcare overhaul, according to a March 25-28 Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll. Republicans mostly blame the U.S. Congress, and not President Donald Trump or party leaders, for failing to pass their party's healthcare overhaul, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Wednesday. The March 25-28 poll asked who should take responsibility for the failure of the American Health Care Act (AHCA), which Republican leaders pulled from consideration last week without a vote. Besides Trump, who backed the bill, and House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, who was expected to shepherd it through Congress, the poll asked if people blamed House Republicans, House Democrats or the media. Republicans were most likely to blame Congress. Some 26 percent said House Democrats were most responsible and 23 percent blamed House Republicans. Another 13 percent blamed Trump and 10 percent blamed Ryan. Only 8 percent blamed the media. (Graphic: tmsnrt.rs/2nhOmjI PDF link: tmsnrt.rs/2nhtM30) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Seeing on Twitter that Virginia and Kansas now look likely to take Medicaid expansion. edit: said Nebraska meant kansas. Brownback vetoed it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hea...m=.ecd7c52ff750 There's a bit of a war going on between the increasingly more moderate Republican Congress in Kansas and Brownback since Brownback broke the entire state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 (edited) Only need five combined votes in the KS State House and Senate to override Brownback's veto. Lots of KS hospitals are lobbying hard for passage. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/201...hoo&ref=yfp Score another win for Koch Industries! Brownback’s veto, which was announced Thursday morning on Twitter, had been highly anticipated and comes amid speculation that he will take a job in President Donald Trump’s administration. The Kansas Legislature has 30 days to override Brownback’s veto, which would require two-thirds majorities in both the House and Senate. Rep. Susan Concannon, a Beloit Republican who has pushed for expansion for several years, rejected Brownback’s effort to tie the issue to abortion. “It’s not an abortion bill despite some comments that I heard this morning,” she said. “That was out of left field. You talk about moving targets, there’s a new one for us.” House Majority Leader Don Hineman, a Dighton Republican, said he still felt there was a sentiment in both chambers to find a way to make Medicaid expansion happen. “In the end it comes back to protecting those who are in that gap and cannot afford coverage,” Hineman said. “There’s a benefit, not only to them directly, but to the state to have them covered and have them on a path to better health.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-go...l#storylink=cpy Edited March 31, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Tom Price Intervened on Rule That Would Hurt Drug Profits, the Same Day He Acquired Drug Stock Price is hilariously corrupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 It is really disheartening that he he got through to me. Like, Sessions, okay, he had a bad reputation, you can see how that gets through. But usually a Price would have felt pressure to just back away himself ala Daschle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Pretty sure Preet Bharara was investigating Price when he got fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/obam...m-caucus-236836 Here they go again...White House desperate to pass ANY health care bill and simultaneously force through Gorsuch before the April recess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 The second (half) push to get a health care passed this week before the recess appears to be DOA https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/849347768892239872 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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