OBAMA/TRUMPCARE MEGATHREAD

[caulfield12]

The CBO score will be out in the next week or so...

 

But definitely not before tomorrow's vote. The Republican argument is basically we know it's going to be terrible, but we've already been waiting seven years to do this so, what the hell, what's the worst thing that could happen? The Senate will fix it, right? And at least those darned Indivisible protesters won't be staking out my town halls. Well, maybe they still will be, complaining about all the Americans who will be hurt by this bill.

[StrangeSox]

Remember that the main reason they want to pass this objectively awful health care bill that will result in unnecessary pain, suffering and death is so that they can more easily ram through upper class tax cuts next!

 

This is what they've always been about, and this is what people voted for.

 

edit: this bill cuts about a trillion dollars in health care spending and cuts about the same in taxes for the top 2%.

 

edit2:

Pre-existing conditions in new AHCA draft:

- domestic violence

- sexual assault

- C-section

- postpartum depression

 

And of course, they've made it so lawmakers are exempt from the pre-existing conditions changes

 

 

Gentlemen, to evil!

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

If you get your plan through your employer and thought you'd be missing out on all of the fun, don't worry! The AHCA screws you, too!

 

Little-Noted Provision of GOP Health Bill Could Alter Employer Plans

Many people who obtain health insurance through their employers—about half of the country—could be at risk of losing protections that limit out-of-pocket costs for catastrophic illnesses, due to a little-noticed provision of the House Republican health-care bill to be considered Thursday, health-policy experts say.

 

The provision, part of a last-minute amendment, lets states obtain waivers from certain Affordable Care Act insurance regulations. Insurers in states that obtain the waivers could be freed from a regulation mandating that they cover 10 particular types of health services, among them maternity care, prescription drugs, mental health treatment and hospitalization.

 

Whip count is down to only 15 hard no's at this point, so it looks like it's going to pass the House.

[caulfield12]

Amount of money set aside to subsidize those with pre-existing conditions per person:

$1700 over the course of the next five years

$340 per year

Under $30 per month

 

Only $192 billion dollars short over the next decade....

Edited May 4, 2017 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

So if you were raped, your health insurance costs will now go up as a pre-existing condition.

 

That's absolutely insane.

[StrangeSox]

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[RockRaines]

Republicans are supposed to care about unborn babies right? So we are making delivering a baby cost more?

[caulfield12]

As Republicans rush to vote on their latest ObamaCare repeal-and-replace plan, it appears to still include a waiver exempting members of Congress and their staffs from losing the healthcare bill's popular provisions.

 

House GOP leaders worked Wednesday night to fast-track consideration of their ObamaCare replacement bill without posting the bill text and without a Congressional Budget Office analysis detailing the effects of the latest changes to the legislation.

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/331867-...new-legislation

 

 

 

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/331842-...bamacare-repeal

 

In Senate, GOP pessimism over Obamacare repeal (1/5 odds of passage)

 

 

 

GOP senators think it’s unlikely the compromise struck between members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus and moderate Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), which allows states to seek a waiver for certain ObamaCare insurance regulations, will pass muster with the Senate parliamentarian.

 

Republicans are using special rules known as budget reconciliation to avoid a Democratic filibuster on an ObamaCare replacement. This would allow them to pass the legislation with 51 votes.

 

The problem is that Senate Democrats are expected to argue that various parts of the House bill will not meet Senate rules governing what can be included in reconciliation.

 

Democrats will argue that those provisions, such as a rule allowing states to seek a waiver for a regulation that requires insurers to offer certain minimum benefits, do not have a straightforward connection to spending, taxes or the deficit — something required under reconciliation.

 

Cornyn said the House bill — if it passes — will have to be revised.

 

“I suspect the bill the House passes will be modified if for no other reason that the reconciliation rules would require it,” he said. “My goal would be if they pass a bill, which I hope they will, it will come over here and we’ll do our best work to cobble together 51 votes.”

 

Another GOP lawmakers said the House bill will have to be changed “a lot.”

 

Some senators argue the push in the House could set up the Senate for blame.

 

“All they care about is getting it out of the House so they can say that the Senate couldn’t pass healthcare reform,” said a second GOP senator who requested anonymity.

Edited May 4, 2017 by caulfield12

[bmags]

So if you were raped, your health insurance costs will now go up as a pre-existing condition.

 

That's absolutely insane.

 

I don't think people remember how poor the equity of health coverage was pre ACA changes.

[bmags]

I think it'll get a CBO score before the Senate gets a hold of it though.

 

If a bill this absurd can pass the house, and all of the "moderate" republicans get in line for it, then something awful is actually going to be made a law.

[Soxbadger]

I don't think people remember how poor the equity of health coverage was pre ACA changes.

 

I think its that a certain group of people really just dont care unless it impacts them individually.

 

The reality of the bill is it might as well of said "Being a woman is a pre-existing condition", because generally speaking women have higher health care costs. And why should white males have to subsidize women?

 

Over the last months Ive just decided that there is only so much I can care about the well being of people that dont seem to want to help themselves. I could write hundreds, thousands, millions of words, and it simply wont make a difference. They believe what they want, and that is their right. I have a feeling that somehow my insurance rates will go down, and Id have to imagine IL wont opt out, so Im guessing the places that will suffer the most are going to be Trump states.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

If a bill this absurd can pass the house, and all of the "moderate" republicans get in line for it, then something awful is actually going to be made a law.

Apparently the Senate requires a CBO score first since it's being passed under reconciliation, so we'll get round 2 of "here's exactly how many people this bill will kill, here is how many thousands of dollars more it's going to cost everyone for insurance every year"

 

A number of Republican Senators have also expressed opposition to gutting Medicaid, which this bill does.

 

I dunno, I guess I'm still holding out hope that 1) Senate Republicans aren't actually this cruel 2) they aren't actually this dumb or 3) they see the political writing on the wall and recognize that this country would actually make them pay a hefty price if they actually passed this thing.

 

If #3 isn't true and this is what the American people want, welp

 

I think its that a certain group of people really just dont care unless it impacts them individually.

 

The reality of the bill is it might as well of said "Being a woman is a pre-existing condition", because generally speaking women have higher health care costs. And why should white males have to subsidize women?

 

Over the last months Ive just decided that there is only so much I can care about the well being of people that dont seem to want to help themselves. I could write hundreds, thousands, millions of words, and it simply wont make a difference. They believe what they want, and that is their right. I have a feeling that somehow my insurance rates will go down, and Id have to imagine IL wont opt out, so Im guessing the places that will suffer the most are going to be Trump states.

 

I work for a large employer, and my (as of now excellent and cheap) insurance plan is from Florida.

 

There are also millions who oppose this both in blue states and red states that will be harmed greatly.

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[BigSqwert]

Over the last months Ive just decided that there is only so much I can care about the well being of people that dont seem to want to help themselves. I could write hundreds, thousands, millions of words, and it simply wont make a difference. They believe what they want, and that is their right.

 

I hope you read Strangesox's post yesterday.

[RockRaines]

If a bill this absurd can pass the house, and all of the "moderate" republicans get in line for it, then something awful is actually going to be made a law.

All we can do is vote the spineless morons out of office in 2018. Otherwise they will keep giving themselves less taxes and more benefits than their constituents.

 

[Soxbadger]

All we can do is vote the spineless morons out of office in 2018. Otherwise they will keep giving themselves less taxes and more benefits than their constituents.

 

Well we cant really do anything because Im pretty sure that most people who post here will have Congressman/Senators who vote against the bill.

 

I worry for guys like Greg because Kansas very well could opt out and he could be stuck with much worse coverage at a much higher rate. Hopefully he's calling his congressman/senators and asking them why they want to help Healthcare Companies make even more money.

[StrangeSox]

Well we cant really do anything because Im pretty sure that most people who post here will have Congressman/Senators who vote against the bill.

 

I worry for guys like Greg because Kansas very well could opt out and he could be stuck with much worse coverage at a much higher rate. Hopefully he's calling his congressman/senators and asking them why they want to help Healthcare Companies make even more money.

 

Roskam in Illinois' 6th is one of the potentially vulnerable Republicans in 2018.

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/IL/6

 

e: if anyone lives in IL-6, get on the phone and hound Roskam to not support this train wreck.

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[RockRaines]

Well we cant really do anything because Im pretty sure that most people who post here will have Congressman/Senators who vote against the bill.

 

I worry for guys like Greg because Kansas very well could opt out and he could be stuck with much worse coverage at a much higher rate. Hopefully he's calling his congressman/senators and asking them why they want to help Healthcare Companies make even more money.

Kansas is definitely going to opt out. They are going to be left in the lurch.

[Soxbadger]

Kansas is definitely going to opt out. They are going to be left in the lurch.

 

I get that people want "change" for "changes sake" sometimes. But not holding their congressman accountable for at least waiting for the CBO score is insanity.

 

It would be like me letting my client buy their house without doing an inspection, or getting financing on a car without asking what the APR is.

 

I mean its their choice, but has "information" become the enemy now?

 

[BigSqwert]

I mean its their choice, but has "information" become the enemy now?

 

Information is becoming the equivalent of fake news to most of these people.

[GoSox05]

Imagine being raped or sexually assaulted and then having to make the decision to go to the police or not because you are afraid about how it could affect your healthcare.

 

We live in a barbaric country.

[BigSqwert]

Imagine being raped or sexually assaulted and then having to make the decision to go to the police or not because you are afraid about how it could affect your healthcare.

 

We live in a barbaric country.

 

It's insane.

[StrangeSox]

Imagine being raped or sexually assaulted and then having to make the decision to go to the police or not because you are afraid about how it could affect your healthcare.

 

We live in a barbaric country.

 

This was the status quo prior to the ACA.

 

Maybe market-based insurance models where the main incentive is to maximize profits by minimizing health care expenditures is a bad idea?? I wonder if any other industrialized country has figured out a better, cheaper solution that covers all of their citizens?

[Soxbadger]

Imagine being raped or sexually assaulted and then having to make the decision to go to the police or not because you are afraid about how it could affect your healthcare.

 

We live in a barbaric country.

 

Well maybe you arent aware but married women cant be raped by their husbands. And they shouldnt be out in public after dark, so this really is only a worry for people living "bad lifestyles". And lets be honest, being a woman is a bad life choice.

[illinilaw08]

I get that people want "change" for "changes sake" sometimes. But not holding their congressman accountable for at least waiting for the CBO score is insanity.

 

It would be like me letting my client buy their house without doing an inspection, or getting financing on a car without asking what the APR is.

 

I mean its their choice, but has "information" become the enemy now?

 

This. So much this.

[caulfield12]

Kansas is definitely going to opt out. They are going to be left in the lurch.

 

http://cjonline.com/news/state-government/...k-veto-medicaid

 

Tried to override Brownback, 81-44 vote, needed 3 more for 2/3rd's. Sucks for Kansans.