OBAMA/TRUMPCARE MEGATHREAD

[StrangeSox]

"bad lifestyles".

 

Note that this is a recent justification put forward by some Republicans for why it's perfectly acceptable to deny some people health care and cause them pain, suffering and death.

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/...dable-care.html

[Quin]

And I thought I had it bad being epileptic

[caulfield12]

Aetna CEO Bertolini says Obamacare's 'biggest problem' is that it's not fully funded by government

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aetna-ceo-be...-204414622.html

 

 

 

"I don't think it's a matter of raising premiums on people with pre-existing conditions," said Bertolini, whose company went from selling Obamacare plans in 15 states last year to selling them in just four this year after citing big financial losses on individual health plans.

 

"I think people with pre-existing conditions, people under the age of 26, should get insurance. Anybody who applies should get insurance," he said.

 

"I think the biggest program with the [Affordable Care Act] is how it is funded," Bertolini said. "If it were funded correctly, all these people could get coverage."

 

"If it's just funded on the premium basis without reinsurance, if cost-sharing reductions don't show up after September, none of it works," he said.

 

Most Obamacare customers receive subsidies that lower the cost, often sharply, of their monthly premiums below retail prices, because they have low or moderate incomes.

 

Reinsurance is the subsidization by the government of insurers who find themselves covering customers with high health costs. Obamacare's reinsurance program ran only from 2014 through 2016, and the Republican-controlled Congress has barred the government from paying insurers the entire amount they are owed for another Obamacare cost-reduction program, known as risk corridors.

 

 

 

 

 

[Soxbadger]

Note that this is a recent justification put forward by some Republicans for why it's perfectly acceptable to deny some people health care and cause them pain, suffering and death.

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/...dable-care.html

 

Im aware, hence why I used the phrase.

[Dick Allen]

Since Obamacare, personal bankruptcy is down 50%. So maybe they can get that to go higher. Even "rich" people like Trump like to screw over people by declaring bankruptcy. Let the poor do it as well.

 

If Obamacare was exactly the same but named Romneycare, these fools would not be doing anything but praising it.

 

 

Joe Walsh slamming Jimmy Kimmel was impressive. The guy with the if you can't afford it, don't have a kid, who just happens to fall being his child support payments from time to time.

 

Republicans don't care about deficits and the like when they are in charge. The credit card is wide open. Once a dem takes over, suddenly we can't afford anything except giving the richest a tax break so they can increase their wealth. They aren't spending all their money now. Why would they spend it if you gave them more?

Edited May 4, 2017 by Dick Allen

[RockRaines]

Why should white men have to pay for women's health?

[StrangeSox]

 

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox

[bmags]

 

 

This is really the day I've dreaded. My mom is in basic retail, which added health insurance due to ACA requirements. This is the group that I think will be most vulnerable to the new stripped back requirements on Lifetime caps and pre-existing. With her being only 59, it's going to be a lot of crossing our fingers until she hits medicare age if something like this passes.

[StrangeSox]

This is really the day I've dreaded. My mom is in basic retail, which added health insurance due to ACA requirements. This is the group that I think will be most vulnerable to the new stripped back requirements on Lifetime caps and pre-existing. With her being only 59, it's going to be a lot of crossing our fingers until she hits medicare age if something like this passes.

 

Republicans want your mom to be sick, bankrupt or dead so that they can pass big tax cuts for the wealthy. They've been very open and honest about this for a long time, and this is what their voters keep coming back for.

 

Meanwhile:

 

[BigSqwert]

Republicans want your mom to be sick, bankrupt or dead...

 

Don't worry, Ivanka will fix this.

[Dick Allen]

Don't worry, Ivanka will fix this.

No. All the good stuff happens in phase 4 or phase 5 of the bill. That will take many years so you will have to make sure the GOP keeps getting re-elected to see this through. Right now it looks bad, but in 8 or 10 years, once these rich guys get their tax breaks, everyone will have cheap health insurance, it will cost next to nothing, it won't matter what is wrong with you, you are approved, and only the finest care. The one problem could be if somehow you let democrats have some power in this, then it will all fall apart.

[StrangeSox]

[RockRaines]

Super excited to be having another baby this year, especially with a C-section

[bmags]

Donated to the IL-06 district fund through swing left. Cannot believe Roskam could have been a no for the first one and saw the changes and can say this is better.

[StrangeSox]

They've lined up buses to head to the White House in celebration after they vote to destroy the American health insurance system so that they can pass big tax cuts for the wealthy. They're celebrating condemning millions of Americans to pain, suffering, financial destitution and potentially death if they merely get sick. These people are monsters.

[BigSqwert]

They've lined up buses to head to the White House in celebration after they vote to destroy the American health insurance system so that they can pass big tax cuts for the wealthy. They're celebrating condemning millions of Americans to pain, suffering, financial destitution and potentially death if they merely get sick. These people are monsters.

 

Greatest country in the world!

 

[RockRaines]

They've lined up buses to head to the White House in celebration after they vote to destroy the American health insurance system so that they can pass big tax cuts for the wealthy. They're celebrating condemning millions of Americans to pain, suffering, financial destitution and potentially death if they merely get sick. These people are monsters.

Literally celebrating making life easier for rich people while killing millions. Good people we've elected.

[bmags]

They've lined up buses to head to the White House in celebration after they vote to destroy the American health insurance system so that they can pass big tax cuts for the wealthy. They're celebrating condemning millions of Americans to pain, suffering, financial destitution and potentially death if they merely get sick. These people are monsters.

 

I appreciate Joe Walsh actually defending what this health care system would be on its actual terms. I continue to be amazed by the cynicism of this house, where the leadership just keeps lying about what the bill is, and has nobody defending the actual merits of the bill aside from "freedom" and "tax cuts".

[RockRaines]

Roskam's staff answered the phone

 

(202) 225-4561

[StrangeSox]

 

totally gonna drink some brewskis to celebrate voting for the death of thousands of americans, brah!

[RockRaines]

I mean, what a bunch of f*** faces. I cant even believe people would be behind such a s***ty bill.

[Soxbadger]

 

totally gonna drink some brewskis to celebrate voting for the death of thousands of americans, brah!

 

 

Haha jokes on them, Freedom Caucus snuck in "Drinking beer" as a pre-existing condition.

 

[StrangeSox]

Voting right now on the bill to exempt themselves from all of the awful changes they're implementing, then they vote on the amendment to give a pittance to high-risk pools that will collapse instantly and leave everyone with a pre-existing condition SOL, then the vote for the AHCA.

[RockRaines]

Voting right now on the bill to exempt themselves from all of the awful changes they're implementing, then they vote on the amendment to give a pittance to high-risk pools that will collapse instantly and leave everyone with a pre-existing condition SOL, then the vote for the AHCA.

I love how they even think the bill is so s***ty they dont want to be part of it. Thats amazing.

[StrangeSox]

I love how they even think the bill is so s***ty they dont want to be part of it. Thats amazing.

whoops that was a bit of fake news! The AHCA as written exempted Congress, but this was an amendment made once that provision got out to the public. So this vote is to *remove* the exemption. It's going to pass nearly unanimously (there's one D so far who voted "Present," everyone else is a yes).

 

edit: present vote switched to yes, everyone is going to vote yes on this

Edited May 4, 2017 by StrangeSox