StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 04:33 PM) Really the term is useless. A holding is binding, but dicta is every bit as important for attorneys and judges to explain what the law is on any given issue (using the rationale of a decision is usually just as, if not more, useful than the holding itself). If I were to cite Roberts discussion of CC in this case it's going to be read as precedent. I consider that binding precedent. You're probably right that this is how it'll work in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 At least 17 people on Twitter decided to escape Obamacare "socialism," they will be moving to Canada. Which has socialized medicine. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-movi...se-of-obamacare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) At least 17 people on Twitter decided to escape Obamacare "socialism," they will be moving to Canada. Which has socialized medicine. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-movi...se-of-obamacare Good luck with that. It will be like Alec Baldwin who said he would leave USA If Obama got elected...........still here. Edited June 28, 2012 by Soxfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) The ruling does not surprise me. The court is basically a corporatist statist body. A law that forces the population to buy certain corporate products or services? excellent Illegals? great, cheap labor. Crack down on corporate bribes in government? no way. unconstitutional. Edited June 28, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 My favorite is the volume of people commenting on the failures of Obamacare before a huge portion of the important parts of the legislation have even been enacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Good luck with that. It will be like Alec Baldwin who said he would leave USA If Obama got elected...........still here. You're probably thinking of Alec's brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) You're probably thinking of Alec's brother. Alec said it about Bush. Stephen said it about one of the candidates in 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 05:13 PM) The ruling does not surprise me. The court is basically a corporatist statist body. A law that forces the population to buy certain corporate products or services? excellent Illegals? great, cheap labor. Crack down on corporate bribes in government? no way. unconstitutional. a fair summary of the Roberts court Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) You're probably thinking of Alec's brother. You are right it was Stephen........and he never left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 06:47 PM) You are right it was Stephen........and he never left! Not that anyone would notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 06:08 PM) Good luck with that. It will be like Alec Baldwin who said he would leave USA If Obama got elected...........still here. I just think its funny that to escape a country where "socialism" requires you to have health insurance, you want to move to Canada where there's no such thing as socialized medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 11:12 PM) I just think its funny that to escape a country where "socialism" requires you to have health insurance, you want to move to Canada where there's no such thing as socialized medicine. Some people are just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Upset about today's SCOTUS decision? Want to leave the U.S.? Here's a list of other industrialized countries without universal healthcare: This argument is annoying. We are our own country, we dont need to let what other countries do dictate our own policy. Fallacy of appealing to the majority or something right? Its irrelevant. Either way, I'd try to be as unlike Europe as possibly right now lest we get bought out and placed into custody of the Germans too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 01:03 AM) This argument is annoying. We are our own country, we dont need to let what other countries do dictate our own policy. Fallacy of appealing to the majority or something right? Its irrelevant. Either way, I'd try to be as unlike Europe as possibly right now lest we get bought out and placed into custody of the Germans too. You missed the joke. It is in response to some people saying they were going to leave the country because of this. Also, Germany has socialized medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 06:12 AM) You missed the joke. It is in response to some people saying they were going to leave the country because of this. Also, Germany has socialized medicine. A lot of places have socialized medicine...and I know...everything they do is way better than the way we do it here. Because the USA sux or something. Every other country rulez! Funny, though, how awesome these other places are...yet almost nobody moves away from this suck fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Cliff Notes to the decision: 4 justices said that the entire law was constitutional just because Democrats passed it. 4 justices said that the entire law was unconstitutional just because Democrats passed it. Roberts actually read the law and the constitution and determined which parts were and weren't OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 06:59 AM) Cliff Notes to the decision: 4 justices said that the entire law was constitutional just because Democrats passed it. 4 justices said that the entire law was unconstitutional just because Democrats passed it. Roberts actually read the law and the constitution and determined which parts were and weren't OK. Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 06:59 AM) Cliff Notes to the decision: 4 justices said that the entire law was constitutional just because Democrats passed it. 4 justices said that the entire law was unconstitutional just because Democrats passed it. Roberts actually read the law and the constitution and determined which parts were and weren't OK. Welcome to the 21st century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 07:59 AM) Roberts actually read the law and the constitution and determined which parts were and weren't OK. Alternative: Roberts was troubled that his legacy on the court might wind up being the striking down of this bill and all of the implications of doing so for completely destroying the ability of the US government to function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 06:16 AM) A lot of places have socialized medicine...and I know...everything they do is way better than the way we do it here. Because the USA sux or something. Every other country rulez! Funny, though, how awesome these other places are...yet almost nobody moves away from this suck fest. I was responding to a post saying that we wouldn't want to be like the Euros and end up under Germany's control, which didn't make sense because Germany has a much more socialized system than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 08:09 AM) I was responding to a post saying that we wouldn't want to be like the Euros and end up under Germany's control, which didn't make sense because Germany has a much more socialized system than we do. No, I know what you were saying...and although I replied to your post, I wasn't really directing that at you. It just seems to be a popular thought process of many on-line Americans these days...you can read numerous examples of this all over places like Reddit or Digg. It annoys me when people complain about things and threaten to leave, but never leave. Sure, there are things that happen here that annoy me...I'm sure there are things that annoy everyone, but hreatening to leave to a "better place" really annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Now couple that with the irony of threatening to leave the US because freedom was murdered in cold blood yesterday with their destination being Canada or in this case China: lulz abound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Reddit Proudly Presents: A Dummy's Guide to the PPACA! http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/..._did_it/c530lfx It appears to be a pretty thorough, plain-english explanation of the various provisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 28, 2012 -> 05:05 PM) At least 17 people on Twitter decided to escape Obamacare "socialism," they will be moving to Canada. Which has socialized medicine. http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-movi...se-of-obamacare This was my favorite tweet of the day: Breaking: Conservatives planning to leave U.S., but can't find wealthy Western democracy without universal health care. #hrc #scotus— Mike Signorile (@MSignorile) June 28, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 07:41 AM) Alternative: Roberts was troubled that his legacy on the court might wind up being the striking down of this bill and all of the implications of doing so for completely destroying the ability of the US government to function. As opposed to his very clear Federalist position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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