mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:30 AM) Which is why y'all have paid back the government every other tax credit you've received in your lives, right? right after they pay me back for all my money they have taken and wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) right after they pay me back for all my money they have taken and wasted. So then you have no problem with the government creating this tax and tax rebate, as long as this program is successful in controlling health care costs. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:39 AM) So then you have no problem with the government creating this tax and tax rebate, as long as this program is successful in controlling health care costs. Great. only if people will be forced to buy products and services from me too. i am entitled. start sending the checks and pay your fair share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) only if people will be forced to buy products and services from me too. i am entitled. start sending the checks and pay your fair share. No one is forced to buy anything here, unless I've been forced to buy a house (and I'm a renter, so no I haven't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) No one is forced to buy anything here, unless I've been forced to buy a house (and I'm a renter, so no I haven't). Obama is getting rid of the home tax write off to pay for Obama care? Edited June 30, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) Obama is getting rid of the home tax write off to pay for Obama care? If I do not cash in the mortgage interest deduction tax credit, I am paying a higher tax rate. Under the exact same standard you used, agreed to by the Chief Justice I might add...I'm being forced to buy a mortgage. Which is confusing since I don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 29, 2012 -> 02:45 PM) This is funny, but would have been funnier if Roberts was photoshopped in. Add even more fuel to the conspiracy fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) If I do not cash in the mortgage interest deduction tax credit, I am paying a higher tax rate. Under the exact same standard you used, agreed to by the Chief Justice I might add...I'm being forced to buy a mortgage. Which is confusing since I don't have one. i'm too hung over to follow this logic. but i will attempt to. so, using this logic, people that get tax credits for having kids is the same thing as forcing me to have kids? anyways how are you being forced to buy a mortgage? and I have decided Roberts is a corrupt shill Edited June 30, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) This is funny, but would have been funnier if Roberts was photoshopped in. ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 would somebody please photoshop John Roberts into that picture and post it here. i would really appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) If I do not cash in the mortgage interest deduction tax credit, I am paying a higher tax rate. Under the exact same standard you used, agreed to by the Chief Justice I might add...I'm being forced to buy a mortgage. Which is confusing since I don't have one. Semantics, again, but you aren't being charged MORE for not owning a home, homeowners are being charged less. For the Obamacare tax to work that way you should be gettign a tax break for owning insurance, not being taxed because you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Semantics, again, but you aren't being charged MORE for not owning a home, homeowners are being charged less. For the Obamacare tax to work that way you should be gettign a tax break for owning insurance, not being taxed because you don't. So wait...there is a difference between me being charged more than you and you being charged less than me? Fascinating. That's why this bill was constitutional right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 (edited) None of you even know what you are arguing about anymore. Edited July 1, 2012 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) None of you even know what your arguing about anymore. Just responding to the silly reasons like "It's an impingement on freedom" and "The finger thing means the taxes!" for why it's so evil that poor people get to go to the doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 why is there an argument about this? it's over. we won. get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 ObamaneyCare/RobamaCare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 01:23 AM) I know a young couple whose child was born at 2 pounds and needed some surgery early on. The bill? $997,000. Conversely I know of a guy who was in Europe traveling and needed some emergency procedure in the hospital. The bill? $0. Please, tell me about our healthcare system and tell me why what we have is better than Europe? Educate me, please. Lol, incredibly rare situation involving a pre pre term baby needing round the clock care from specialists =/= some emergency procedure. Oh, and since this country is so morally and ethically bankrupt when it comes to healthcare, i'm assuming this baby is now dead because if you can't pay medical bills you're just thrown out on the street to die. I see that happen all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 08:24 AM) Lol, incredibly rare situation involving a pre pre term baby needing round the clock care from specialists =/= some emergency procedure. Oh, and since this country is so morally and ethically bankrupt when it comes to healthcare, i'm assuming this baby is now dead because if you can't pay medical bills you're just thrown out on the street to die. I see that happen all the time. you lost, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 11:40 AM) None of you even know what your arguing about anymore. I don't come into the buster often, but... you're* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) I don't come into the buster often, but... you're* Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 30, 2012 -> 12:14 PM) Semantics, again, but you aren't being charged MORE for not owning a home, homeowners are being charged less. For the Obamacare tax to work that way you should be gettign a tax break for owning insurance, not being taxed because you don't. So in other words the exact same thing it does now, except raise everybody's taxes first and then give credits for people who have insurance. Identical outcomes. Identical tax receipts. But somehow this is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) So in other words the exact same thing it does now, except raise everybody's taxes first and then give credits for people who have insurance. Identical outcomes. Identical tax receipts. But somehow this is better? Yes, because then you can't hind behind the farce of it NOT being a tax increase. Kinda like putting that computer on sale for 10% off, after you jacked it up 20% first. Any way you slice it, the tax burden that is now there was NOT there before. So this bill increased taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 07:31 PM) Yes, because then you can't hind behind the farce of it NOT being a tax increase. Kinda like putting that computer on sale for 10% off, after you jacked it up 20% first. Any way you slice it, the tax burden that is now there was NOT there before. So this bill increased taxes. If the CBO's estimates are correct, the mandate penalty will raise $25 billion over its first 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Yes, because then you can't hind behind the farce of it NOT being a tax increase. Kinda like putting that computer on sale for 10% off, after you jacked it up 20% first. Any way you slice it, the tax burden that is now there was NOT there before. So this bill increased taxes. Yeah it does. So what? I'm happy to pay an extra small percentage to guarantee that I have health coverage. That's just awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) If the CBO's estimates are correct, the mandate penalty will raise $25 billion over its first 10 years. And if the CBO's estimates are correct, the cost of this will be trillions over what it was initially. So what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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