OBAMA/TRUMPCARE MEGATHREAD

[Cknolls]

I successfully got into the HealthCare.gov website! Unfortunately, every option is far worse than what I currently have. I guess I'm just one of the "clear losers" and there ain't squat I can do about it.

 

The sad thing is that this has made me half-consider dropping coverage and just paying the penalty fee.

Don't even do that. Just make sure you owe the gov't taxes and they can do nothing to you. Make sure you will not receive a tax refund.

[Balta1701]

While I've been gone I surely hope the board consensus, even from the Obama shills, is that that this thing is an absolutely collosal failure. Like, I cannot think of a bigger boondoggle in my lifetime...

 

And to preempt the argument that comes from anyone delusional enough to defend it. It is not "too early" to give up on it. When a trains running off the rails the engineer doesnt just throttle up hoping it jumps back on the tracks.

What ought to be stressed here is that the 10+ states who built their own exchanges are doing just fine (including, of all places, Kentucky, who happens to have a Democratic governor right now).

 

So the f***up wasn't mandatory here. The website could have been built correctly; a dozen states did so and the problem isn't capacity.

[DukeNukeEm]

Don't even do that. Just make sure you owe the gov't taxes and they can do nothing to you. Make sure you will not receive a tax refund.

Lets say someone is writing off about $8k and has ~$10k in per diem coming in April, is there a way to somehow owe with that on what should be $55k total income? I suspect not, at least at this stage in the game. Im not paying for this s***ty healthcare at those rates, nuh-f***ing-uh.

 

And Balta, they had 3.5 years and millions of dollars to make that website. A website, they same thing Sean Parker made in a dorm room in 1999 while being pretty broke. This, unfortunately for you, cant be blamed on Republicans. Its an in-house failure that just shows how incompetent these people are in charge of this thing.

 

Im aware that Napster wasnt necessarily a website, but you get it.

Edited November 2, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[Jake]

I'd like heads to roll in Illinois for not building their own website. What the f***?

 

I'm probably going to vote for Rutherford in the upcoming election. I've met him about 10 times, a really good guy. He's from my hometown. I don't necessarily find him to be a policy match made in heaven, but I think he's a guy interested in governing and improving people's lives.

 

Also, check out how Romneycare enrollment went: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkbl...ill-be-similar/

 

Even with a f***ed up website, enrollment was going to be concentrated in the final months

[Balta1701]

And Balta, they had 3.5 years and millions of dollars to make that website. A website, they same thing Sean Parker made in a dorm room in 1999 while being pretty broke. This, unfortunately for you, cant be blamed on Republicans. Its an in-house failure that just shows how incompetent these people are in charge of this thing.

You're 100% right and I'm not trying to offer any excuse for the performance of the feds here. It was do-able. A dozen states pulled it off and the feds flat out f***ed themselves. There's a reason I was the first person in this thread saying Sebelius should lose her job over this, it's simply unacceptable.

[greg775]

I still don't like Obamacare much. Why is everything so complicated in legalese? Bottom line ... if I get fired tomorrow and need to buy my own insurance, about how much will it cost me a year?

What do I do if I can't afford that and get sick? I rot and die?

[Balta1701]

I still don't like Obamacare much. Why is everything so complicated in legalese? Bottom line ... if I get fired tomorrow and need to buy my own insurance, about how much will it cost me a year?

What do I do if I can't afford that and get sick? I rot and die?

If you're totally unemployed next year, move to a state that expanded Medicaid. It's working well, your state just wants its poor people to, as you said, rot and die. Medicaid was supposed to be expanded to cover people with incomes below the poverty line, but your state opted out of that and consequently there are no options or subsidies available whatsoever. If that's too complicated of legalese...blame your state leaders who chose not to accept free money from the Federal Government.

 

If you're making $16000 next year (just over the poverty line), on average, insurance in Kansas should cost you $320 next year for the entire year to cover you and a spouse.

[StrangeSox]

If you're totally unemployed next year, move to a state that expanded Medicaid. It's working well, your state just wants its poor people to, as you said, rot and die. Medicaid was supposed to be expanded to cover people with incomes below the poverty line, but your state opted out of that and consequently there are no options or subsidies available whatsoever. If that's too complicated of legalese...blame your state leaders who chose not to accept free money from the Federal Government.

 

If you're making $16000 next year (just over the poverty line), on average, insurance in Kansas should cost you $320 next year for the entire year to cover you and a spouse.

Also blame Roberts for his horrible legal "reasoning"

[greg775]

If you're totally unemployed next year, move to a state that expanded Medicaid. It's working well, your state just wants its poor people to, as you said, rot and die. Medicaid was supposed to be expanded to cover people with incomes below the poverty line, but your state opted out of that and consequently there are no options or subsidies available whatsoever. If that's too complicated of legalese...blame your state leaders who chose not to accept free money from the Federal Government.

 

If you're making $16000 next year (just over the poverty line), on average, insurance in Kansas should cost you $320 next year for the entire year to cover you and a spouse.

 

Thanks. Did Illinois accept the money from the govtment? I could always move back there someday.

[Texsox]

While I've been gone I surely hope the board consensus, even from the Obama shills, is that that this thing is an absolutely collosal failure. Like, I cannot think of a bigger boondoggle in my lifetime...

 

And to preempt the argument that comes from anyone delusional enough to defend it. It is not "too early" to give up on it. When a trains running off the rails the engineer doesnt just throttle up hoping it jumps back on the tracks.

 

The ACA is not the website. The website is one tool to achieve the goals of the new requirements. Your example is not quite the same thing.

 

A bigger boondoggle? Perhaps the billions we spent and the lives lost removing "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq come to mind.

 

And it sounds like in your example that as soon as a train jumped the rails you would have tore up the train and rails and recycled them. Would you have tried to build another train, or give up on train travel?

[Brian]

I've worked for a branch of a hospital for about 10 years now and my premiums have gone up pretty much every year I've been here.

I have to bite my lip at people who think they are going up soley because of the ACA. It's been going up every year since before the public ever heard of Obama.

 

And Greg, the ACA is designed so people can get insurance when they are out of work and not have to rot and die. I would love to have a single payer system where it wouldn't cost you much. Maybe we will see it someday, maybe we won't.

 

I'm curious if Hilary somehow does become president, if she tries to implement that system, because didn't she try and get the ball rolling during Bill's first term? I was in grade school so I don't know for sure.

[Texsox]

The "free" money from the feds came with an expiration date and a lot of strings. It isn't quite so cut and dried.

[Balta1701]

The "free" money from the feds came with an expiration date and a lot of strings. It isn't quite so cut and dried.

Yeah, 3 years from now the feds pay 94%.

 

Instead, every hospital in your state continues covering the poor. So, you pay for the expanded Medicaid in the states that did so through your federal taxes and you pay higher rates at hospitals to cover the uninsured in your state.

 

Congrats.

[greg775]

I'm so disappointed in myself for voting for Obama and the public being fooled by superficiality every time. Read this about Romney calling Obama a liar. The fact people find it so necessary to blast the current president, never showing him an ounce of respect, shows how unqualified Obama was/is to be our leader.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-meet-the-press-140953473.html

[Balta1701]

I'm so disappointed in myself for voting for Obama and the public being fooled by superficiality every time. Read this about Romney calling Obama a liar. The fact people find it so necessary to blast the current president, never showing him an ounce of respect, shows how unqualified Obama was/is to be our leader.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-meet-the-press-140953473.html

So wait, if I call any elected official a liar they're clearly unqualified to be a leader?

 

The standard you use to judge whether or not someone is a leader is literally "what his or her opponents say about them and how much respect there is"?

 

You must know absolutely nothing of U.S. history. This is actually kind of fun, it motivated me to find some of the stuff written and spoken about Lincoln. Here's his hometown newspaper:

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion. People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party. His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world. The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President. The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger. Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."

"He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis.

, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." (that one is a Congressman)

 

Man this Lincoln guy must have been awful.

 

LOL some of these are great

“a horrid looking wretch . . . sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse swapper and the night man.”

Here's a couple of his nicknames:

The Illinois Ape, Ignoramus Abe

A Virginia congressman called him “a cross between sandhill crane and an Andalusian jackass.”

“The age of statesmen is gone; the age of rail-splitters and tailors, of buffoons, boors and fanatics, has succeeded,” it wrote. “In a crisis of the most appalling magnitude, requiring statesmanship of the highest order, the country is asked to consider the claims of two ignorant, boorish, third-rate backwoods lawyers, for the highest stations in government. Such nominations, in such a conjecture, are an insult to the common-sense of the people.”

[greg775]

So wait, if I call any elected official a liar they're clearly unqualified to be a leader?

 

The standard you use to judge whether or not someone is a leader is literally "what his or her opponents say about them and how much respect there is"?

 

You must know absolutely nothing of U.S. history. This is actually kind of fun, it motivated me to find some of the stuff written and spoken about Lincoln. Here's his hometown newspaper:

 

 

Man this Lincoln guy must have been awful.

 

Was that before or after he got elected? I'd be surprised if his hometown paper blasted him like that while in office. I can't fathom the lack of respect shown Obama, except by the press and voters near and on Election Day. Put Obama in an election and him winning (for no good reason) is the biggest lock of all time. Way to get our economy going and health care, Mr. President. Thanks for nothing.

Edited November 3, 2013 by greg775

[Balta1701]

Was that before or after he got elected? I'd be surprised if his hometown paper blasted him like that while in office. I can't fathom the lack of respect shown Obama, except by the press and voters near and on Election Day. Put Obama in an election and him winning (for no good reason) is the biggest lock of all time. Way to get our economy going and health care, Mr. President. Thanks for nothing.

A lot of those were responding to his first inauguration. Yes, his hometown paper blasted him that way while he was in office. Papers all over the country did.

 

This is how the world works. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but man, it seriously needs burst. The insults heaped upon presidents are legendary. I don't know of many writers or orators who come anywhere close to the impressive insults tossed at presidents in this country's first century.

 

Andrew Jackson's "pipe-smoking woman of ill-repute" wife is still one of my favorites.

[greg775]

A lot of those were responding to his first inauguration. Yes, his hometown paper blasted him that way while he was in office. Papers all over the country did.

 

This is how the world works. I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but man, it seriously needs burst. The insults heaped upon presidents are legendary. I don't know of many writers or orators who come anywhere close to the impressive insults tossed at presidents in this country's first century.

 

Andrew Jackson's "pipe-smoking woman of ill-repute" wife is still one of my favorites.

 

Well, then I wish more would follow Romney and bring it on regarding Obama. He's got to be battling Ulysses Grant for worst president of all time. He's done absolutely nothing except completely obliterate the economy and changing people's vision of the future. Nobody except the truly rich believe they'll be better off financially than their parents were.

[Balta1701]

Well, then I wish more would follow Romney and bring it on regarding Obama. He's got to be battling Ulysses Grant for worst president of all time. He's done absolutely nothing except completely obliterate the economy and changing people's vision of the future. Nobody except the truly rich believe they'll be better off financially than their parents were.

LOL, actually US Grant wasn't nearly the worst of that century, particularly compared to the people who came before the civil war and the inept ones who followed him. And frankly, I'm seriously impressed that you've managed to completely forget who it was that the economy was actually obliterated under.

[greg775]

LOL, actually US Grant wasn't nearly the worst of that century, particularly compared to the people who came before the civil war and the inept ones who followed him. And frankly, I'm seriously impressed that you've managed to completely forget who it was that the economy was actually obliterated under.

 

Good posts, but are u defending Obama or just pointing things out? You can't possibly think he's even been a 3 out of 10 as a president, can you?

[Balta1701]

Good posts, but are u defending Obama or just pointing things out? You can't possibly think he's even been a 3 out of 10 as a president, can you?

I think his absolute biggest failure was deciding to listen in 2010-2011 to the people who thought the deficit was a huge problem. We've cut the deficit in half and like you said, we've seen 3+ years of a completely stagnant economy since. Anyone who thinks the deficit is a major problem should love this president, anyone who thinks that jobs are important should have the reaction you're having.

 

These website problems are embarrassing and should be a fireable offense for a lot of people, but if they keep their word and they have a functioning system by the end of November it'll be a footnote to an otherwise successful program in the long-term. If they're having issues into December then they will absolutely have no choice but to begin delaying the deadlines in the bill - the plans can't go live January 1 if no one can buy them. That would be a worse failure than failing to have it working on October 1.

[Jake]

I think BO envisioned his presidency as being most notable for cooperation. Unfortunately, his attempts to reach across the aisle have been interpreted as weakness and haven't really helped him with anything. Legislation that is more conservative than it should be has definitely made it through, but not in the way it would be if they were reached through compromise. You just have certain things that are highly conservative - sequestration, for instance

[Brian]

We had a president that put us in an unwinnable war, watched the stock market crash, and watched unemployment tank while he spent 30% of his presidency "on vacation" and you think BO will be worse than him.

 

I understand Obama having detractors, but Greg, you maybe the most misinformed person on this board. I'm starting to see why others mock you so much.

[greg775]

We had a president that put us in an unwinnable war, watched the stock market crash, and watched unemployment tank while he spent 30% of his presidency "on vacation" and you think BO will be worse than him.

 

I understand Obama having detractors, but Greg, you maybe the most misinformed person on this board. I'm starting to see why others mock you so much.

 

All I want is people to rank him 1-10 and nobody will take me up on it. I give him a 2.5 or 3.

[BigSqwert]

I'd give him a 9.9. He loses .1 points for the ACA website. Everything else he's done has been amazing.