macsandz Posted November 25, 2010 Author Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 11:17 AM) If true, the organization really must not feel Morel is the answer at 3B. First trading for and extending Teahen and now thinking about trading their biggest trade chip for a 3B. I am a big Stewart guy, though. I would not be opposed to acquiring him in the least. If he can shake the minor bumps and bruises he always seems to get, he'll be big time. They like Morel but they may not think he's the everyday answer just yet. Also, Stewart doesn't have to play 3B, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Floyd is a MUCH more valuable asset than he's getting credit for here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Honestly, if we trade Floyd, we had better be getting a player like Stewart and at least 2 of another teams top 10's. Cheap, young, durable starting pitching doesn't hit the market often, Floyd is a huge chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 11:23 AM) Floyd is a MUCH more valuable asset than he's getting credit for here. I agree. He may be very streaky, but he is a solid 3/4 starter and was 7 innings short of 200 IP in 09 and 13 innings short of 200 in 10 AND he is cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 12:42 AM) Stewart's plate discipline makes Juan Uribe look like Nellie Fox. Or not. That being said, no thanks on Stewart. The guy is going to be 26 at the start of the season and has sucked away from Coors, I'm not a huge Morel fan at all but I'll live with him instead of trading Gavin away for a guy that we're hoping lives up to his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 11:16 AM) Stewart is loaded with ability and can certainly handle 3B at an adequate level. If it were me, I'd platoon him at 3rd with Morel and if they sign a guy like Dunn, slide Stewart over to 1st. You would trade Gavin Floyd for a guy you are going to use in a platoon role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 11:23 AM) Floyd is a MUCH more valuable asset than he's getting credit for here. This. Floyd has tons of surplus value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knackattack Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I'm pretty sure the White Sox 'liking' Ian Stewart means that they'd just want him in a package. I really doubt he'd be the centerpiece and unless we got 3 pieces that are very similar to him, I'd be a little upset. Stewart/Fowler/Something would be alright with me I guess, but if you trade Gavin for any kind of position player, they have to be productive and start for the trade to really be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) Or not. Stewart's BB/K is horrible. He's averaged 2.5 to 3 K per BB since he was promoted to the Bigs. Even Uribe has a better percentage, and he was known as a free-swinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 12:52 PM) Stewart's BB/K is horrible. He's averaged 2.5 to 3 K per BB since he was promoted to the Bigs. Even Uribe has a better percentage, and he was known as a free-swinger. Just cause he strikes out a lot doesn't mean he has bad plate discipline, the guy still takes his fair share of walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Why trade a good chip to fill a position that already has 3 players there? The upgrade Stewart MIGHT provide over those 3 guys is not worth losing Floyd. If the Rockies want Floyd, then try for Fowler + prospects or set your sights high and make a package around Floyd for CarGo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pktmotion Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) I wonder if Huston Street would be involved in the talks. I remember when Street was with the Athletics there was some talk of KW targeting him, even when he was with the Rockies(before signing that 3 yr extension). Two teams eyeing Oakland's Street Huston Street for Nick Swisher? Running on the assumption, KW is a persistent GM in his pursuits, it wouldn't surprise me if Street's name came up in the discussions. The money matches up as well. Gavin owed through 2013* = $21.5 M Huston owed through 2013* = $23.8 M * Both have options for 2013 Now if the package was Huston Street, Ian Stewart, and a low-level prospect like: Chris Frey(OF), Lars Davis© , or Isaiah Froneberger(LHP) for Gavin Floyd and Mark Teahen. I'd be pretty happy with that. Street could replace Jenks, Stewart could start at 3B, Morel could develop a bit more in AAA, and we'd get a savings of ~$8 M (all predicated on what Stewart commands in arbitration) Edited November 25, 2010 by pktmotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 What is Stewart's contract situation? Second, I think I may be willing to give Morel the opportunity just because he makes no money, and the Sox can still bring him along at a decent pace with Vizquel getting some time at 3B. Morel is regarded as a good defensive player so that would be an improvement over last year's defense at that position. Obviously, his hitting is the question, but the Sox could have a pretty good defensive infield . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) Why trade a good chip to fill a position that already has 3 players there? The upgrade Stewart MIGHT provide over those 3 guys is not worth losing Floyd. If the Rockies want Floyd, then try for Fowler + prospects or set your sights high and make a package around Floyd for CarGo. I can only imagine J4L's reaction... Fun to think about, but that ain't happening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 02:02 PM) I can only imagine J4L's reaction... Fun to think about, but that ain't happening... Hah, yeah, his response would probably be that even if we traded every worthless minor leaguer we have, it still wouldn't be as valuable as CarGo's left leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 No thanks to Fowler or Stewart unless they're thrwins. I'll take them on if it's only Teahen and Linebrink plus another small piece but they are both terrible to mediocre players outside of Coors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 These are assinine rumors that make no sense. Why not just use Dallas McPherson as our full time 3rd baseman? And yes, I'm being sarcastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Yeah I don't like this. If Floyd goes, we need to fill a big hole, because we'll be creating one at SP. Ian stewarts's value is allin his power, which isn't elite, and he's been playing at coors. I'd take him, but not as a centerpiece for Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 02:02 PM) I can only imagine J4L's reaction... Fun to think about, but that ain't happening... What package possible would even come close to getting CarGo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pktmotion Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 01:35 PM) What is Stewart's contract situation? Second, I think I may be willing to give Morel the opportunity just because he makes no money, and the Sox can still bring him along at a decent pace with Vizquel getting some time at 3B. Morel is regarded as a good defensive player so that would be an improvement over last year's defense at that position. Obviously, his hitting is the question, but the Sox could have a pretty good defensive infield . Ian Stewart is in his second year of arbitration, if I'm not mistaken. If he does end up on the South Side while shedding Teahen, KW can't make the same mistake; by signing him to an extension right away. Give him a year to prove he can handle the corner and evaluate your best options (Stewart, Morel, or *gulp Viciedo). I for one like Stewart"s prospects he's shown a pretty decent glove @ 3B and he's got good power potential. My concern is how well he plays outside of Coors field (which seems to be an argument for all Rockies players). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share Posted November 26, 2010 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 12:40 PM) You would trade Gavin Floyd for a guy you are going to use in a platoon role? No. I'd trade Floyd for Dexter Fowler who would lead off and be my CF & Stewart who I'd platoon as a 3rd baseman, but would play every day he's not at the hot corner at either 1B or DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 25, 2010 -> 10:48 PM) No. I'd trade Floyd for Dexter Fowler who would lead off and be my CF & Stewart who I'd platoon as a 3rd baseman, but would play every day he's not at the hot corner at either 1B or DH He of the .220 .308 .334 .642 line away from Coors, mmmkayyyyy. You're trading for players who are mediocre players while having half their games at Coors, and are really pretty terrible away from that ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 As much as I love Dexter Fowler, Gavin is much more beneficial for us, especially with Peavy's uncertainity. IIRC, Stewart can play 3b, 2b, 1b, LF, and RF. How well... I don't remember from minor league reports, though I know he was a butcher at 2B. (which the sox don't need him there anyways) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 This trades sounds like it was made up by a Rockies fan on bleacher report. So lopsided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 The sox are said to like Ian Steward through various media sources and the Rockies are said to have interest in Gavin Flloyd through various media sources. That doesn't mean the two are of equal value and would ever be traded for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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