Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Okay so I posted this in another thread, summing up where we are financially: C AJ $4M (approx) C Castro $1.2M 1B Viciedo $1.25M 2B Beckham $0.45M (approx) SS Ramirez $2.75M SS Lillibridge $0.45M (approx) 3B Morel $0.45M (approx) 3B Omar $1.75M 3B Teahen $4.75M DH Dunn $14M (approx) RF Quentin $4.5-5M (approx) LF Pierre $8.5M - $3.5M from Dodgers = $5M CF Rios $12M SP Buehrle $14M SP Danks $6M (approx) SP Floyd $5M SP Jackson $8.35M SP Peavy $16M RP Sale $0.45M (approx) RP Linebrink $5.5M RP Thornton $3M RP Pena $1.8-2M (approx) RP Infante $0.45M (approx) RP Santos $0.45M (approx) Total = $113.55M - $114.25M The estimates should all be very close to what they end up being, maybe a mil or so +/-. But this is pretty much exactly where we are. Now there's this: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...ws&c_id=cws Williams presented two budgetary plans to White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf at the start of the offseason. One had the team moving toward youth, trading veterans to acquire high-end young players. The second had the White Sox adding impact veterans to the existing core. Apparently, the White Sox have gone all in through Plan B, and Williams said there's room for Konerko and Dunn, along with a potential bullpen addition, without trading anyone. That means we'd be looking at around a $130M payroll. Yeah, you heard that right, a $130M payroll. Somebody is either lying or smoking crack, right? Or can this really be true? Is JR going to actually do this? Seriously? Like, really? I can't believe this. But I really, really want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Cliff Lee for long man out of the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Barry Zito for 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Jeter for Waterboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Hasn't KW been rumored to be after Rafael Soriano? He'd be a great addition and with Sale, our bullpen would be pretty strong and as long as KW is back, the lineup would be as close to complete as possible without breaking the bank to get a new LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 We're getting into Chicago Cubs territory here when it comes to the spending. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 02:41 AM) Hasn't KW been rumored to be after Rafael Soriano? He'd be a great addition and with Sale, our bullpen would be pretty strong and as long as KW is back, the lineup would be as close to complete as possible without breaking the bank to get a new LF. Soriano would be a brutal addition at the money he will command. I've learned over the last few years that overpaying for relievers, even closers, is a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:45 AM) Soriano would be a brutal addition at the money he will command. I've learned over the last few years that overpaying for relievers, even closers, is a recipe for disaster. Just realized he's a type A, no thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 02:38 AM) Jeter for Waterboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 03:42 AM) We're getting into Chicago Cubs territory here when it comes to the spending. WTF? Looks like Reinsdorf is going all in this year and I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The bullpen addition should be Putz-provided he's healthy. Other teams might be leery of his injury concerns. Putz also respected how the sox handled him coming back from his injury by not overusing him as a 1 year rental. That should carry some weight all things being equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 04:46 AM) Looks like Reinsdorf is going all in this year and I love it. Since we have the pitching staff we do, JR may be willing to "break the bank" for one or two seasons and go for it. Of course if we do and fail, we could be heading into a major youth movement aftwerwards. We all know baseball is JR's passion. Maybe the allure of another WS title is enough for him to open the checkbook for a couple seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 03:46 AM) Looks like Reinsdorf is going all in this year and I love it. Maybe his doctor told him he's got a year to live and he just said f*** it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:14 AM) Maybe his doctor told him he's got a year to live and he just said f*** it. Are you suggesting JR is breaking bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 07:15 AM) Are you suggesting JR is breaking bad? Unfortunately never seen the show so I'm not familiar with the reference. I'm assuming one of the characters has a year to live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 02:29 AM) Cliff Lee for long man out of the bullpen. IMO Danks + Buerhle to Texas for Holland + Borbon + prospects Dump Pierre for nothing, send the Dodgers cash with him Sign Lee away from the Yankees Danks + Mark + Pierre = $25M Lee + Holland + Borbon = $24M Never going to happen, but with this kind of payroll it would actually be doable. Playoff rotation: Lee Gm 1 Peavy Gm 2 Floyd Gm 3 Jackson Gm 4 (this is especially hilarious because he may actually have the most dominant stuff on the staff, and he's 4th) Holland = emergency starter/third lefty in the pen behind Thornton and Sale We'd win everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (chunk23 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 02:56 AM) Just realized he's a type A, no thank you. We have already lost our #1 pick with Dunn coming in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 We would lose another pick if we signed Soriano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:44 AM) We would lose another pick if we signed Soriano I wouldn't have wanted to lose the 19th pick for Soriano, but I'll tolerate losing a late 2nd round pick for Soriano and the 19th pick for Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 It's the 23rd pick, and the Rays would get that one since Soriano has a higher Elias ranking. Nats would get our 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:47 AM) It's the 23rd pick, and the Rays would get that one since Soriano has a higher Elias ranking. Nats would get our 2nd round pick. Wherever it goes...our first round pick is already gone. If we signed Soriano now...all we'd lose is the 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 07:14 AM) Maybe his doctor told him he's got a year to live and he just said f*** it. Laughed when I saw this, but at the same time, on the serious side, you brought up a great point! You wonder if that is crossing his mind to some extent? Not sure how old he is, but if you keep waiting in life to live out your passions, you have to go "ALL IN" before your time and opportunities run out. Not sure how his health is, but at his age, you wonder how much more waiting he can deal with. Regardless how much he spends, he and his family will still live comfortably, so I agree, why not totally jump in for 2 more years? If we make it...Great! If not, at least he can look back and have no "What If's!!!" Jerry wants another W.S. It makes me wonder that if he realized that the only way it will have the best chance to come is to unload the bank? esprcially with Minny and Det breathing on our necks! if that's the case...........I will be reading Soxtalk like crazy for updates when the winter meetings start. If we're "ALL IN" then what does next week bring in? It's not baseball season yet, but this has the makings for a possible best ever enjoyable hot stove season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 07:18 AM) IMO Danks + Buerhle to Texas for Holland + Borbon + prospects Dump Pierre for nothing, send the Dodgers cash with him Sign Lee away from the Yankees Danks + Mark + Pierre = $25M Lee + Holland + Borbon = $24M Never going to happen, but with this kind of payroll it would actually be doable. Playoff rotation: Lee Gm 1 Peavy Gm 2 Floyd Gm 3 Jackson Gm 4 (this is especially hilarious because he may actually have the most dominant stuff on the staff, and he's 4th) Holland = emergency starter/third lefty in the pen behind Thornton and Sale We'd win everything. You really seem to have an obsession with Borbon, lol. I guess that's better than the other man crush someone has on G. Parra of the D-Backs. Or G. Blanco. I can't imagine having Lee and a healthy Peavy in the same rotation. I also can't imagine trading Danks and Buehrle in the same move...unless the Rangers are suddenly swimming in cash, they would never even consider that one. One thing would be for sure, it would be the final change of guard with Jenks/Buehrle/Paulie gone and amazingly a catcher as the only one hanging on 6 years later from that World Series roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:44 AM) We would lose another pick if we signed Soriano I would say the chances are higher that Roberto Hernandez or Takatsu come back to the Sox. Or the Japanese closer with the M's....which are about 0.001% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:03 AM) Laughed when I saw this, but at the same time, on the serious side, you brought up a great point! You wonder if that is crossing his mind to some extent? Not sure how old he is, but if you keep waiting in life to live out your passions, you have to go "ALL IN" before your time and opportunities run out. Not sure how his health is, but at his age, you wonder how much more waiting he can deal with. Regardless how much he spends, he and his family will still live comfortably, so I agree, why not totally jump in for 2 more years? If we make it...Great! If not, at least he can look back and have no "What If's!!!" Jerry wants another W.S. It makes me wonder that if he realized that the only way it will have the best chance to come is to unload the bank? esprcially with Minny and Det breathing on our necks! if that's the case...........I will be reading Soxtalk like crazy for updates when the winter meetings start. If we're "ALL IN" then what does next week bring in? It's not baseball season yet, but this has the makings for a possible best ever enjoyable hot stove season. Or a very boring one. It could be simply Konerko/Lee/Pena OR sticking Viciedo/Teahen out there... Looking for one or two "undervalued" bullpen arms for bounceback years like Politte/Hermanson Trying to package Morel/Flowers/Viciedo/Quentin and Danks/Floyd/Jackson for am impact 3B/DH/RF...while they're throwing money around, they might as well overpay for Adrian Beltre and really go "all in." Then the ongoing dumping of Teahen/Linebrink/Pierre conversations as well. Edited December 3, 2010 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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