StrangeSox Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) On the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Association's Facebook page today they put up a message saying they stood with Secretary Gates/Admiral Mullen on DADT. A s***fit/temper tantrum from a bunch of people ensued. I don't think they should've made a statement on a political issue like that but really people in the military are such crybabies. Don't ever let someone qualify their opinion on DADT by saying "I was in the military" to try and overrule yours. Their opinion means s***, and they follow orders from civilian leadership. Period, end of story. You wouldn't ask them "what's your opinion on going to war in Iran?" and then if they say they're against it to decide not to go... they will do what they're told. Secondly, they are fully entitled to their opinion as a citizen but you don't use your opinion as a service member to endorse a political position (it says in so many words in the UCMJ). You can't even say what you really think about the President in public. Also I see a lot of people, mostly combat arms types, talking about how they don't want to share living quarters or showers with gays. I always tell them "YOU ALREADY DO, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IT OR IGNORED IT ON PURPOSE." I haven't heard about a bunch of people getting raped or molested in the shower, maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Maybe it's still inappropriate for the stereotypical flaming homo to be in an infantry unit, but at the very least let's not chapter someone out because someone found out they were gay... that's just unfair, and spiteful. I don't know how many flaming homosexuals are itching to join the Marines or Army. Really this whole issue is just ridiculous and embarrassing for our country and makes me hate McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 09:57 PM) Well, there are anecdotes out there of a lot of bizarre methods that the military "Found out", like people who are seen anywhere else in public acting homosexual, like the line at a grocery store, or, I can't find it, but there's a case I vaguely recall of the military finding out by reading people's private letters/emails. Mike Almy was discharged from the Air Force after his private emails were read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/22/m...y_n_734726.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 4, 2010 -> 11:36 AM) Mike Almy was discharged from the Air Force after his private emails were read. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/22/m...y_n_734726.html Thanks, I was having no luck finding that story last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Ur skillz are no match for my google-fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 4, 2010 -> 12:11 PM) Ur skillz are no match for my google-fu Very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) It is pretty bad that we give illegals more rights in this country than we do gay people. Non citizens are allowed to join the military, and if killed while serving, are automtically given US citizenship. So I can kindof see where SS is going with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Sec. Gates not optimistic about possibility of repeal. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...3535acf07f3a24c Seriously, wtf... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 02:10 PM) Sec. Gates not optimistic about possibility of repeal. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...3535acf07f3a24c Seriously, wtf... Pathetic. f*** you McCain. Edited December 6, 2010 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 6, 2010 Author Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Sec. Gates not optimistic about possibility of repeal. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...3535acf07f3a24c Seriously, wtf... Given that McConnell has indicated he's going to support a McCain block of DADT, and I highly doubt the Boehner House of Representatives will pass a DADT repeal in the new congress.... This is another situation where I wish my party would have the spine it should have and refuse to decouple DADT from the Defense reauth bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) Pathetic. f*** you McCain. social conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 What, Susan Collins might not negotiate in good faith? Why I never... Senior Senate Democratic aides are in a panic this morning about the prospects for repeal of don't ask don't tell, because talks with Senator Susan Collins over her procedural demands have hit a wall, with the Democratic leadership dismissing her requests as unreasonable and counterproductive, a senior Dem aide close to the talks tells me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 There is reportedly a good chance of some sort of DADT vote process beginning in the Senate tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 An attempt was made just now to bring the Defense funding bill up for debate in the Senate. The motion to bring the bill to the floor failed to overcome a Republican filibuster, with 57 votes in favor and 40 votes against. Susan Collins was the lone Republican voting in favor of the bill, while 1 Democrat (Manchin, WV) voted to support the filibuster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) I hate this country. You say freedom and liberty, and I hear tons and tons and tons of bulls***. Edited December 9, 2010 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I'm so angry. 75% of Americans are in favor of repeal. The defense secretary is in favor of repeal. A huge majority of both houses are in favor of repeal. The military is overwhelmingly in favor of repeal. The joint chiefs of staff are in favor of repeal. ...and yet it fails Country borken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) Country borken. This sounds like a bad adult film title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:28 PM) Country borken. Somehow, that's an apt typo, with the adopted meaning of the word "To Bork". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 9, 2010 Author Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 04:23 PM) An attempt was made just now to bring the Defense funding bill up for debate in the Senate. The motion to bring the bill to the floor failed to overcome a Republican filibuster, with 57 votes in favor and 40 votes against. Susan Collins was the lone Republican voting in favor of the bill, while 1 Democrat (Manchin, WV) voted to support the filibuster. There are a number of disappointments in there. Manchin for one, but also Lugar and Snowe as well as Brown in MA. Those three GOP senators seem like they would be eminently reasonable in questions like this, and again its a shame that this decision has to hang in the balance of political points by a party whose obstruction essentially equates to political terrorism at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 03:29 PM) Somehow, that's an apt typo, with the adopted meaning of the word "To Bork". I like typing borken a lot, it's something carried over from another message board. I should have gone with "Merika Borken" though so y'all got it. Still, f*** this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 I love votes that fail with 57 in favor. f***, time for the "nuclear option" just so the terrible Senator rules get fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 03:28 PM) I'm so angry. 75% of Americans are in favor of repeal. The defense secretary is in favor of repeal. A huge majority of both houses are in favor of repeal. The military is overwhelmingly in favor of repeal. The joint chiefs of staff are in favor of repeal. ...and yet it fails Country borken. I hear what you're saying, but whether the majority is comfortable or not minority rights should be protected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 10, 2010 Author Share Posted December 10, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) I love votes that fail with 57 in favor. f***, time for the "nuclear option" just so the terrible Senator rules get fixed. Or a Senate majority leader who is more concerned with breaking the backs of procedural filibuster by calling the bluff. It would be pretty easy to do, IMO. If they are filibustering everything til tax cuts, refuse to advance the calendar and make tax cuts the very last vote of the session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 9, 2010 -> 05:09 PM) I love votes that fail with 57 in favor. f***, time for the "nuclear option" just so the terrible Senator rules get fixed. You mean how they passed health care? That really popular bill that well over half the country hates? Oh, forgot about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) That wasn't the nuclear option. Not even close to what he was talking about, actually. Cmon kap. If you have 57 votes for something in the Senate it should f***ing pass, like it always has in history until very recently, unless there is an honest-to-god filibuster or other reason that kills it. If it has 51 votes it should pass. If it has 50 votes and the VP has to break the tie it should pass. Not 60. Edited December 11, 2010 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Dec 11, 2010 -> 12:48 PM) You mean how they passed health care? That really popular bill that well over half the country hates? Oh, forgot about that? Yah and they were punished at the polls for it. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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