Don't Ask Don't Tell.

[Rex Kickass]

Dogs can be gay? How is that possible?

 

I think if you think hard enough, you can figure it out. I really don't think I want to draw you that picture.

[Jenksismyhero]

Gay meaning homosexual meaning male dogs humping male dogs and not just for a dominance thing. I don't know where you got this bizarre relationship angle.

 

How on earth do you know what another dog is thinking? How do you know it's not based on dominance?

 

My point of dogs being pack animals is that by their nature they don't have a sexuality like humans do.

 

Edit: I guess i'm assuming that in labeling something as homosexual there has to be some sort of attraction, not just the physical deed of two members of the same sex humping each other. I don't think dogs hump each other based on that. They do it to show dominance.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Jenksismybitch

[Soxbadger]

Well then we can move on to the example of gay penguins.

 

http://articles.sfgate.com/2004-02-07/news...al-gay-penguins

 

No matter how you slice it, homosexuality exists in nature.

 

And they whole gay bar thing is kind of ridiculous. First of all even in Boys Town you dont see any of the bars have labels on them. The fact that they are predominantly frequented by "gays' makes them colloquially called a "gay" bar. But they allow anyone into them.

 

Just like calling a bar that plays country music a "country bar" or a bar that plays Wisconsin games a "Wisconsin bar."

 

Ive never met a gay person who wanted anything more than to just be treated the same as a straight person would be in similar circumstances.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

How on earth do you know what another dog is thinking? How do you know it's not based on dominance?

 

My point of dogs being pack animals is that by their nature they don't have a sexuality like humans do.

 

Edit: I guess i'm assuming that in labeling something as homosexual there has to be some sort of attraction, not just the physical deed of two members of the same sex humping each other. I don't think dogs hump each other based on that. They do it to show dominance.

 

It sounds like you've not read anything related to the study of homosexuality in other animals and that you're sort of just making it up as you go based on your preconceived ideas of what is natural.

[Steve9347]

I find this topic interesting, but in the case of dogs, I don't believe it.

 

What do you call a dog that humps pillows?

 

Dogs hump things, hell, my dog used to hump my cat. Dogs hump to get off and also to show dominance, but show any male dog with his privates unsnipped a female dog in heat, and I guarantee it'll be hump time.

Edited December 22, 2010 by Steve9347

[Jenksismyhero]

It sounds like you've not read anything related to the study of homosexuality in other animals and that you're sort of just making it up as you go based on your preconceived ideas of what is natural.

 

Well clearly, SS, I don't know NEARLY as much as you. I'll now bow to your great and expansive knowledge on this topic.

 

I've read enough to know that it's rare, which is the only point I've been trying to make. I also think I know enough about the behavior of dogs to know that when they hump each other it has nothing to do with the fact that one is attracted to the other, and it's all about dominance and power. Nor have I ever seen two male dogs actually perform intercourse fully. They hump the air as much as they hump the same sex. Unless you've done the research on that. If so, I'll take your word that it happens.

[StrangeSox]

Well clearly, SS, I don't know NEARLY as much as you. I'll now bow to your great and expansive knowledge on this topic.

 

I've read enough to know that it's rare, which is the only point I've been trying to make.

 

But, as has been pointed out to you, it doesn't matter if it's rare. It's still natural. Unless you're defining natural as what you accept as normal, but that would be pretty dumb.

 

I also think I know enough about the behavior of dogs to know that when they hump each other it has nothing to do with the fact that one is attracted to the other, and it's all about dominance and power. Nor have I ever seen two male dogs actually perform intercourse fully. They hump the air as much as they hump the same sex. Unless you've done the research on that. If so, I'll take your word that it happens.

 

You can google for the studies. I'm pretty sure researches in the animal psychology field are aware of the humping-dominance relationship and wouldn't be stupid enough to confuse it for obeserving actual homosexual traits. Or, alternatively, just keep asserting that it's unnatural and that homosexuality doesn't exist in other animals.

 

You don't need complex human relationships in order for homosexuality to happen, which was your original claim.

[Soxbadger]

Or instead of focusing on the red herring dog argument you can read the article that I linked which talks about 2 specific penguins as well as studies of various different primates and mammals.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Or instead of focusing on the red herring dog argument you can read the article that I linked which talks about 2 specific penguins as well as studies of various different primates and mammals.

 

Right, I just don't feel like googling these things on my work computer. I'll go looking for some studies if I have time tonight.

[knightni]

Right, I just don't feel like googling these things on my work computer. I'll go looking for some studies if I have time tonight.

The link is right up there ^^^^^

[lostfan]

It's just his opinion that he feels the gay community wants people to accept them and their lifestyle as more than "equal", and in some cases, he's right.

 

If he wasn't touching on some sort of truth, something called a "gay bar" wouldn't exist.

 

You can actually do a search in Google for "Gay Bars in Chicago", and it brings up a list, complete with map locations, phone numbers, reviews, etc. Do that same exact search for Hetrosexual Bars in Chicago, and you get no such list.

 

I know...I know...all others bars are presumed to be heterosexual bars, right?

 

It's just an opinion, calling him a bigot for it is a bit over the top IMO.

Ha, I had a snarky response prepared but you pre-empted it.

[lostfan]

Gay bars exist because of straight people.

If there wasn't the fear of being bludgeoned to death by accidentally "hitting on" a homophobic, gays wouldn't need their own bar.

Not really. If I wanted to, say, meet black women, I'd probably want to go to a specific type of club/bar. If I wanted to meet Hispanic women I'd go to a salsa club. Etc. If I'm gay (and if there are no gay bars), let's say my odds are 1 in 10 that someone I run into in a bar of my gender is going to be gay... why would I go there than to somewhere else where the ratio is closer to 100%?

[lostfan]

And they realize they can go into regular bars, right?

 

Sure, you can go into them, but should you?

 

If this is the case, why can't I create a "White bar" for white people who want to hang out with other white people? I mean, I wouldn't be banning black people or anything...but I guarantee it wouldn't fly...not for a second.

There's ALL KINDS of bars like that and there's nothing wrong with the way it's done (which is similar to the way that gay bars cater to gays). I myself am planning on opening a restaurant one day and black people are going to be its target demographic.

 

Being a black guy, when I was single I was a pretty prolific club-hopper and about 95% of the time I went out it was to a "black club" or "black bar." The 5% of the times were when I would go out with white or Hispanic friends and we'd go to those kinds of places, respectively. I mean, of course it's not called that, or recognized that way, but blacks, whites, and Hispanics all listen to different types of music so it isn't hard to tell. If a white person wants to go to a black bar and vice versa there's nothing preventing them from doing so. There's nothing nefarious about it.

[knightni]

If this is the case, why can't I create a "White bar" for white people who want to hang out with other white people?

 

 

There's ALL KINDS of bars like that and there's nothing wrong with the way it's done.

 

Exhibit A:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p577qBZnsZU

 

[FlaSoxxJim]

I'm not going to go back and read through tha last couple of pages, but if you want an animal that has been observed hundreds of times engaged in same-sex relationships in nature you don't have to look any further than the bottlenose dolphin. Straight, gay, solo, half-dozen at a go, gang-rape, and rough sex followed by drowning the partner have all been observed. A highly varied and rather unsettling sexual repertoire from a species whose intelligence is on par with our own.

[Jenksismyhero]

I'm not going to go back and read through tha last couple of pages, but if you want an animal that has been observed hundreds of times engaged in same-sex relationships in nature you don't have to look any further than the bottlenose dolphin. Straight, gay, solo, half-dozen at a go, gang-rape, and rough sex followed by drowning the partner have all been observed. A highly varied and rather unsettling sexual repertoire from a species whose intelligence is on par with our own.

 

This is a joke right?

[FlaSoxxJim]

This is a joke right?

 

No, of course it is not. The neocortex of dolphin brains is more convoluted than that of any primate, including humans. High cognitive ability, self-awareness, and complex emotions are all well-documented in dolphins. The processing centers responsible for handling complex information and emotions are greatly enlarged in dolphins compared to other mammals.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2010 by FlaSoxxJim

[BigSqwert]

This is a joke right?

Why would that be a joke?

[Jenksismyhero]

Why would that be a joke?

 

Intelligent yes, on par with? GMAFB.

[BigSqwert]

Intelligent yes, on par with? GMAFB.

Seeing that you're an expert in this field I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

[StrangeSox]

Intelligent yes, on par with? GMAFB.

 

What makes you qualified to judge relevant intelligence levels in general, and of dolphins in particular? On what grounds, besides personal incredulity, are you questioning Jim's qualitative statement?

 

ProTip: Jim really does have great and expansive knowledge on this topic.

Edited December 23, 2010 by StrangeSox

[Jenksismyhero]

Seeing that you're an expert in this field I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

 

Are you?

 

I guess provide me a link that shows when a dolphin used a tool, built shelter, created a mathematical system, took over it's environment etc. etc. They're intelligent animals. They are advanced animals. They share basic similarities. But you're comparing the "intelligence" of a new born with Albert Einstein. You're out of your f***ing mind calling them "on par" with humans.

[Balta1701]

You're out of your f***ing mind calling them "on par" with humans.

Maybe they're just being dumb, like dolphins.

[bmags]

There's ALL KINDS of bars like that and there's nothing wrong with the way it's done (which is similar to the way that gay bars cater to gays). I myself am planning on opening a restaurant one day and black people are going to be its target demographic.

 

Being a black guy, when I was single I was a pretty prolific club-hopper and about 95% of the time I went out it was to a "black club" or "black bar." The 5% of the times were when I would go out with white or Hispanic friends and we'd go to those kinds of places, respectively. I mean, of course it's not called that, or recognized that way, but blacks, whites, and Hispanics all listen to different types of music so it isn't hard to tell. If a white person wants to go to a black bar and vice versa there's nothing preventing them from doing so. There's nothing nefarious about it.

Beside that, many also have dress codes that are somewhat, disgustingly obvious.

[StrangeSox]

vs.