CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunk23 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:31 AM) If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. LaRoche is pretty average for a 1b, Lee has been very good when not hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 09:31 PM) If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. Better defense, by far. DLee is an outstanding individual and a better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. Stops us from getting Pujols, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 07:31 PM) If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. I like that even in this past down year, Lee's OBP was respectable (hell, wouldve been one of the better ones on our '10 Sox) LaRoche's down year for OBP meant he basically became Quentin for that year. Not so exciting to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 08:31 PM) If Konerko goes elsewhere why does everyone like D. Lee so much better than Adam LaRoche ? LaRoche is 4 years younger than both Kornerko and Lee. personally i've seen derek lee play alot more being with him being on the cubs and if we can get anywhere near his MVP years with the cubs i think for the money we can sign him for would be a definate steal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (beckham15 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 07:34 PM) personally i've seen derek lee play alot more being with him being on the cubs and if we can get anywhere near his MVP years with the cubs i think for the money we can sign him for would be a definate steal... Yeah thats another thing. LaRoche has not had a year like Lee's '09. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:36 PM) Yeah thats another thing. LaRoche has not had a year like Lee's '09. Ok but Lee is 35, had off season thumb surgery and a bad back . LaRoche is 30/31 and has a relatively clean bill of health. Do you really want an old guy with a bad back coming off thumb surgery at 1st base ? It's asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Heyman was on MLB Network saying that he doubts there was a snag in negotiations with PK. I think Cowley is a pawn for whoever wants to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 07:41 PM) Ok but Lee is 35, had off season thumb surgery and a bad back . LaRoche is 30/31 and has a relatively clean bill of health. Do you really want an old guy with a bad back coming off thumb surgery at 1st base ? It's asking for trouble. It's a valid debate of course. But we'd have to weigh which is more likely: Lee bouncing back from injury and having one of his normal years, or LaRoche having a year better than any he's ever had. Like many here, I'd want at minimum .350 OBP, 25+ HR from the 1B. LaRoche can do this but I'm just thinking about who's more likely to do it. LaRoche's relative youth doesn't do tons for me since I don't know that any guy we get is going to be getting a long term contract or anything. It'd be different if he was doing what he's doing in his 20s. Edited December 8, 2010 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:45 PM) It's a valid debate of course. But we'd have to weigh which is more likely: Lee bouncing back from injury and having one of his normal years, or LaRoche having a year better than any he's ever had. Like many here, I'd want at minimum .350 OBP, 25+ HR from the 1B. LaRoche can do this but I'm just thinking about who's more likely to do it. LaRoche's relative youth doesn't do tons for me since I don't know that any guy we get is going to be getting a long term contract or anything. It'd be different if he was doing what he's doing in his 20s. I'm surprised no one mentioned that all we need is a stop gap player at the position if Paulie leaves like you just did. I'm just more comfortable with a healthier player in his prime than an old guy who's had injury problems with recent surgery on his thumb. His fielding is superior but doesn't matter much if he hurts himself in the process. And we all know how coming off surgery on a hand can affect hitting a baseball. I know LaRoche is considered average at his position but his road splits aren't much different than his home splits and that counts for something when playing in AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) I'm surprised no one mentioned that all we need is a stop gap player at the position if Paulie leaves like you just did. I'm just more comfortable with a healthier player in his prime than an old guy who's had injury problems with recent surgery on his thumb. His fielding is superior but doesn't matter much if he hurts himself in the process. And we all know how coming off surgery on a hand can affect hitting a baseball. I know LaRoche is considered average at his position but his road splits aren't much different than his home splits and that counts for something when playing in AZ. Why commit to an average player when you can risk going for a much better player on a shorter contract, and hope that your best positional prospect is ready to take over fully next year. Makes too much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 What kind of money is lee looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Yeah that's another thing. If not for the existence of Viciedo, I probably wouldn't be as pro-Lee as I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Question - if Konerko doesn't tae the Sox offer, why the focus on another 1B? Why not give the job to Viceido, and spend the money on other needs? I'm not advocating or expecting this to occur, but just wondering what people thought of going a different route should Konerko move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) Why commit to an average player when you can risk going for a much better player on a shorter contract, and hope that your best positional prospect is ready to take over fully next year. Makes too much sense. going "all in" doesnt mean you throw a prospect in there as a full time starter if you have doubt in his abilities......last time i knew he couldnt take a walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 08:07 PM) Question - if Konerko doesn't tae the Sox offer, why the focus on another 1B? Why not give the job to Viceido, and spend the money on other needs? I'm not advocating or expecting this to occur, but just wondering what people thought of going a different route should Konerko move on. Viciedo too big a risk for our OBP this coming year. And really there aren't many other needs. KW seems pretty intent on not paying for a bigtime reliever. If we get anyone notable it's probably some sort of trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (beckham15 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 08:08 PM) going "all in" doesnt mean you throw a prospect in there as a full time starter if you have doubt in his abilities......last time i knew he couldnt take a walk. But he's talking about Viciedo as a possibility for '12. So it would go: Lee 2 year contract. In year 1 he plays everyday and ideally gives you a typical D-Lee year. In year 2, you have the choice of 1) seeing if Lee can have another year like that at 36 2) giving Viciedo a shot 3) Seeing if there's some way to move Dunn to 1B if it improves overall offense dramatically (mitchell being a stud, etc) it creates options for you, doesn't take them away. Edited December 8, 2010 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) Why commit to an average player when you can risk going for a much better player on a shorter contract, and hope that your best positional prospect is ready to take over fully next year. Makes too much sense. Doesn't have to be a big commitment to LaRoche but we're better off with him in case Viciedo never reaches his promise. I also can't see why you would consider Lee a better player now coming off thumb surgery his age and his back. Sure he WAS a better player than Adam LaRoche might ever be but LaRoche is a safer bet to stay healthy and play a full season and for 25 HR and 100 RBI's considering the negatives weighing against Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 07:41 PM) Ok but Lee is 35, had off season thumb surgery and a bad back . LaRoche is 30/31 and has a relatively clean bill of health. Do you really want an old guy with a bad back coming off thumb surgery at 1st base ? It's asking for trouble. Yet still put up .298 .373 .888 in the second half with those debilitating injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) But he's talking about Viciedo as a possibility for '12. my bad i misread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) Doesn't have to be a big commitment to LaRoche but we're better off with him in case Viciedo never reaches his promise. I also can't see why you would consider Lee a better player now coming off thumb surgery his age and his back. Sure he WAS a better player than Adam LaRoche might ever be but LaRoche is a safer bet to stay healthy and play a full season and for 25 HR and 100 RBI's considering the negatives weighing against Lee. LaRoche is going to want probably a 4 year deal....if we did that we might as well trade Dayan for something that can help us now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Yet still put up .298 .373 .888 in the second half with those debilitating injuries. But off season thumb surgery could change all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) Doesn't have to be a big commitment to LaRoche but we're better off with him in case Viciedo never reaches his promise. I also can't see why you would consider Lee a better player now coming off thumb surgery his age and his back. Sure he WAS a better player than Adam LaRoche might ever be but LaRoche is a safer bet to stay healthy and play a full season and for 25 HR and 100 RBI's considering the negatives weighing against Lee. Why is he the safer bet? DLEE has played under 140 games only twice in his career. Even with Lee's s***ty 2 months last year he was as good as LaRoche. And if he was so hurt last year, why did he have such a stellar second half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 08:16 PM) But off season thumb surgery could change all that. So having surgery to fix a problem that bothered him all year is going to make him worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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