beck72 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 09:03 PM) Let's be honest though, Dayan Viciedo could benefit a lot from 1 more full season in AAA, especially if he's getting at bats every day and playing a position in the field every day. The problem comes if you have to sign Konerko and Dunn for 3-4 years each; Dayan Viciedo does not need to sit in AAA for 3 years waiting on them. I'd say Morel's more of a long term answer at 3b than a short term answer. He may well struggle at it next year, but he really does belong there. That's why Dayan's value is pretty good for a NL team, which is like AAA anyway . The sox don't have to trade Dayan and shouldn't if it's not a good value. But a lot of teams with low payroll may be looking for a potentially impact bat like his. I think Morel could be a long term guy at 3B. Yet he may struggle next year--at least hitting. The sox will stick with him if his glove work is good. Yet with Viciedo, his struggles in the field would limit his AB's with the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 In my offseason plan for another site, I suggested trading Viciedo to Seattle. The Mariners were last in MLB in both batting average and slugging, Vicideo's two main skills. They might be able to use him in their rebuilding process. The AL West has a ton of LH pitching talent (especially if the Rangers re-up Lee) which Viciedo absolutely mashes (.960 OPS this season vs. LH). Seattle declined the option on Branyan, so their DH spot is open. They also just traded 3B Lopez, but it'd be hard to imagine a strong defensive-minded team experiment with Viciedo there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 06:43 PM) In my offseason plan for another site, I suggested trading Viciedo to Seattle. The Mariners were last in MLB in both batting average and slugging, Vicideo's two main skills. They might be able to use him in their rebuilding process. The AL West has a ton of LH pitching talent (especially if the Rangers re-up Lee) which Viciedo absolutely mashes (.960 OPS this season vs. LH). Seattle declined the option on Branyan, so their DH spot is open. They also just traded 3B Lopez, but it'd be hard to imagine a strong defensive-minded team experiment with Viciedo there. Your big problem is...The M's just traded for Justin Smoak, who takes the spot that you'd want Viciedo at in an ideal world, 1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (3E8 @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 05:43 PM) In my offseason plan for another site, I suggested trading Viciedo to Seattle. The Mariners were last in MLB in both batting average and slugging, Vicideo's two main skills. They might be able to use him in their rebuilding process. The AL West has a ton of LH pitching talent (especially if the Rangers re-up Lee) which Viciedo absolutely mashes (.960 OPS this season vs. LH). Seattle declined the option on Branyan, so their DH spot is open. They also just traded 3B Lopez, but it'd be hard to imagine a strong defensive-minded team experiment with Viciedo there. 50 PAs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 07:08 PM) Your big problem is...The M's just traded for Justin Smoak, who takes the spot that you'd want Viciedo at in an ideal world, 1b. In an ideal world, Viciedo would be able to play defense. But from what we saw last season, he doesn't have the best hands. He may have more value at DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 07:11 PM) 50 PAs. 1.158 OPS vs LH in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Anyone think it's realistic that if Red Sox miss out on Crawford and can't come to some sort of deal for A-Gon without the extension they make PK a huge 2 year offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Dec 5, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) Anyone think it's realistic that if Red Sox miss out on Crawford and can't come to some sort of deal for A-Gon without the extension they make PK a huge 2 year offer? Possibly. But they could also just try to re-sign Beltre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 as far as dayan goes if pk is resigned, id hold onto him and put him in the OF right off the bat in spring training, if he cant hang out there then trade him, if he can, trade Q, simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Well never mind about Bos making a late run at PK if everything else falls through,Heyman now saying A-Gon to Red Sox is done, no word on if an extension is done or they reworked and he's there on his last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 (edited) 2 new updates on the Konerko situation. MONDAY, 1:15am: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that Monday's meeting will involve Konerko's agent and assistant GM Rick Hahn. With the Orioles viewed as the only other serious suitor for Konerko, there's a "strong feeling" the White Sox will get a deal done as early as this week. SUNDAY, 9:29pm: Reinsdorf will do anything he can to re-sign Konerko, a source tells Doug Padilla of ESPNChicago.com. If the meeting is with Hahn, they're talking contract details. He'll be back unless the two sides had different ideas for the contract. Edited December 6, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 03:38 AM) He'll be back unless the two sides had different ideas for the contract. The other benefit to having a 2nd team like Baltimore involved is...there's someone else out there who's helped set his market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Konerko, Putz have same agent, Craig Landis. Both names sure to come up in Landis' meeting with #WhiteSox, who need closer, setup help. #MLB rosenthal this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 #chisox exec rick hahn meets with konerko agent craig landis today to negotiate. reinsdorf & konerko been chatting amiably by phone from heyman this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 This would be fantastic if we can get both back. I just have to write this down... Pierre 7 Beckham 4 Rios 8 Dunn 0 Konerko 3 Ramirez 6 Quentin 9 Pierzynski 2 Morel 5 Teahen (1B, 3B, corner OF) Vizquel (SS, 2B, 3B) Castro © De Aza/Gartrell (OF) Danks Floyd Buehrle Jackson Peavy/Garcia-or-fill-in Putz Thornton Santos Sale Infante other-short-reliever Pena/long-reliever After the season I didn't think that would even be possible. But it looks damn good, if we can pull these couple deals off. Maybe even go after one more good reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 What no Lillibridge?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I guess Gartrell played fairly well in the AFL or Winter Ball that he's now considered a legit option? The funny thing is that nobody ever would have thought one year ago that the contracts for Derek Jeter with the Yankees (3 years with 4th as option) would have been remotely similar...I still don't believe the White Sox are crazy enough to go 3 years and $51 million for Konerko, but it's crazy to think that those are the numbers that will come in and that 25% of the fanbase will actually be somewhat pleased with that signing. Maybe after Werth, those numbers make sense, but holy hell, they scare me going down the line 2-3 years. Part of it is the legitimate fear that Viciedo is a break-out star and goes on to become an All-Star and Paulie breaks down and there's nothing close to a replacement bat in the system with that impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) What no Lillibridge?! If DeAza tears it up in ST, maybe. But since Lilly can play CF at least and has more positional versatility (and so does Omar at age 44-45), they seem to prefer those two. DeAza seems like he needs to be getting regular PT to be effective, imo. In ideal world, they would jettison Teahen's contract, but that's not possible and KW isn't going to eat another $3-6 million because they think Teahen can make himself valuable (to at least one other team) again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 It sounds like the Diamondbacks are making a big late push for Paulie. The consensus is that it's far to late in the process to have an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 10:23 AM) It sounds like the Diamondbacks are making a big late push for Paulie. The consensus is that it's far to late in the process to have an impact. The thing that would suck there is we would only get their 2nd round pick. Seems pretty unlikely, location makes sense but that team is far from competitive, despite how chaotic the NL West is...and the Giants aren't so bad, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 Chuck Garfien: White Sox meeting with Paul Konerko's agent Craig Landis at 11am eastern. Diamondbacks reportedly making big push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 09:35 AM) Chuck Garfien: White Sox meeting with Paul Konerko's agent Craig Landis at 11am eastern. Diamondbacks reportedly making big push. I wonder what kind of hit PK would take to his legacy here if he signed with the Diamondbacks for a similar or lesser offer than what we were offering him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 09:38 AM) I wonder what kind of hit PK would take to his legacy here if he signed with the Diamondbacks for a similar or lesser offer than what we were offering him... It would upset me if did for equal or less, if he does for more money, I guess I'm fine with that. Jon Morosi Asked if he expects Konerko to be with #WhiteSox by end of this week, Reinsdorf said, "I hope so." Reinsdorf on Konerko: "He belongs in Chicago." #WhiteSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I think that Paulie is going to get a monster offer from some club... thinking he's in our back pocket is a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) I think that Paulie is going to get a monster offer from some club... thinking he's in our back pocket is a mistake. With the current state of the market place, a 2 or 3 year deal at 13M per year is a relative bargain (and I use the term "relative" for a reason). 2 years with an option even more so. However, if he wants to win it would appear we are one of the better options. If he was willing to play DH, the Angels might be wise to give him a shot given they have a hole in there pocket and it just seems stupid to give Crawford as much as he's asking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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