SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:37 AM) Yep. And I would have said go play in Baltimore. He expressed no interest in Baltimore and even his agent told them that. It was never a realistic option. it's always an option when contract is actually offered, it's one thing not to show a preference, but if one team is low balling you in your opinion and the other is offering market value or over, it can easily become a realistic option... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) Is your concern that he'll be unable to play 1B and produce in year 3? Or that there are going to be tons of holes we can't fill by year 3 and will want that money? The way I see it, there is a decently aged core and some money coming off the books by then that will mitigate that. And our best prospect is a 1B. YOu just helped his argument then you know. Having another contract that expires along with others next year gives you flexibility to re-up with players or to blow it up. And with everyone leaving, these extra draft picks wouldve been nice to help rebuild the system. Plus, as you mention, Dayan would be ready to fill in after a year. DLee was just a flatout better option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 I wish Brandon Hynick was awesome. That would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:38 AM) YOu just helped his argument then you know. Having another contract that expires along with others next year gives you flexibility to re-up with players or to blow it up. And with everyone leaving, these extra draft picks wouldve been nice to help rebuild the system. Plus, as you mention, Dayan would be ready to fill in after a year. DLee was just a flatout better option. I wouldn't have minded the D-Lee option, but it's not like he comes with low risk... he's coming off a terrible season, off-season wrist surgery and nobody has any idea what his money demands are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) Yep. And I would have said go play in Baltimore. He expressed no interest in Baltimore and even his agent told them that. It was never a realistic option. I thought your point was that he cared more about money than winning? This post seems to be evidence to the contrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:38 AM) YOu just helped his argument then you know. Having another contract that expires along with others next year gives you flexibility to re-up with players or to blow it up. And with everyone leaving, these extra draft picks wouldve been nice to help rebuild the system. Plus, as you mention, Dayan would be ready to fill in after a year. DLee was just a flatout better option. On the surface we can say this, but in truth we have no idea right now what creates flexibility or doesnt. Does having Konerko jerseys to sell create payroll flexibility for next year? Does increased 2011 attendance create flexibiliity more than Derrek Lee contract savings do? Those are possibilities. Paulie gets paid because he builds on last year's team to create excitement (read: ticket sales) for next year. Bringing in Lee alienates the silly no-Cub-should-ever-be-a-Sox people, as well as hampers excitement about the 3-4-5 in our lineup a bit. People with those beliefs buy tickets, as well as the people who consider PK their hero and their kids' hero. In JR's world payroll flexibility is more complex than just saying, oh crap, that's 6M in 2013 that we won't be able to spend. Right now he has to create excitement for the 2011 ballclub and sell a bunch of tickets. This Paulie move is a way of infusing some buzz into the fanbase. Signing D-Lee would be saying: come buy tickets for our Rios/Dunn/Lee 3-4-5. That's good but not sending the message that this is a clear improvement on last year. EDIT: and if you're talking about increasing payroll flexibility for 2012 to have some huge spending spree...i dont even know what to think about that. I'm happy getting away from the world of trying to nab the Torii's/Fukudome's year in and year out and being passed up. I'll miss our compensatory picks, but I wont trade all-star 1Bs for possible Kyle McCullochs. Edited December 8, 2010 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:39 PM) I wish Brandon Hynick was awesome. That would be great. He's a really awesome guy... that means nothing, but still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:43 PM) On the surface we can say this, but in truth we have no idea right now what creates flexibility or doesnt. Does having Konerko jerseys to sell create payroll flexibility for next year? Does increased 2011 attendance create flexibiliity more than Derrek Lee contract savings do? Those are possibilities. Paulie gets paid because he builds on last year's team to create excitement (read: ticket sales) for next year. Bringing in Lee alienates the silly no-Cub-should-ever-be-a-Sox people, as well as hampers excitement about the 3-4-5 in our lineup a bit. People with those beliefs buy tickets, as well as the people who consider PK their hero and their kids' hero. In JR's world payroll flexibility is more complex than just saying, oh crap, that's 6M in 2013 that we won't be able to spend. Jersey sales are part of league revenue sharing, so really no change. Attendance depends on if this team wins, pretty simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:22 PM) Everything I've heard is Thornton or Sale is closer, and they'll sign Byrdak as their other lefty reliever. That would be just about perfect. Two quality lefties, a solid closer, Santos and Peña, and then maybe get one more righty in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:42 AM) I thought your point was that he cared more about money than winning? This post seems to be evidence to the contrary. It was. I never said he wanted to go to hell, did I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 $104.55M payroll right now, still have the 3 arb guys to sign. The deal isn't bad or great in my mind, it just kind of is. The differed money makes the 3rd year far more palatable. Eh, it's really annoying when money is being thrown around based on past performance and sentimental value as opposed to future value. Konerko only came close to earning his previous $12M per deal in the final year of the deal went he turned in the best year of his career, I don't think this bodes well for his age 35-37 seasons when he'll be earning even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 12:23 PM) He was pretty much the guy I was thinking of as a cheap sign for the Sox. Perfect LOOGY. Bernstein leaked the name Byrdak about a week ago. It was just abritrary enough to think it's probably going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Awesome news now time to get to work on the pen KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:44 AM) Jersey sales are part of league revenue sharing, so really no change. Attendance depends on if this team wins, pretty simple. Even if jersey sales were a significant source of revenue, I'd argue that by signing Lee the Sox would have seen MORE jerseys sold. If you don't have a Konerko jersey after 12 years with the Sox, you aren't getting one. Who has ever bought Sox tickets just to go see Paul Konerko play? That's kind of funny to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:51 AM) Even if jersey sales were a significant source of revenue, I'd argue that by signing Lee the Sox would have seen MORE jerseys sold. If you don't have a Konerko jersey after 12 years with the Sox, you aren't getting one. Who has ever bought Sox tickets just to go see Paul Konerko play? That's kind of funny to say. ::orders Adam Dunn jersey:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 11:44 AM) Jersey sales are part of league revenue sharing, so really no change. Attendance depends on if this team wins, pretty simple. Tickets are sold before the year starts as well as during the year. Also minor point, but having your team's jerseys all over the city is part of getting your brand out there and winning the battle of Chicagoans' entertainment dollars. It indirectly brings in revenue. A new Lee Sox jersey would sell, true, but the excitement created by Konerko/Dunn as having monster potential together is going to have its impact as well. I think we're about to see it. Edited December 8, 2010 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Can't express how happy I am with this offseason so far. Yeah, our bullpen is iffy, but that can be said for basically every team out there since bullpen arms are largely crapshoots anyways. Kenny will do all he can to find some help down there even though we're basically out of money. I know i'm normally the negative guy, but assuming the rest of the winter goes like I'd expect it to, I really like our chances in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Good to see the Captain back in the fold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 (edited) Even if jersey sales were a significant source of revenue, I'd argue that by signing Lee the Sox would have seen MORE jerseys sold. If you don't have a Konerko jersey after 12 years with the Sox, you aren't getting one. Who has ever bought Sox tickets just to go see Paul Konerko play? That's kind of funny to say Every year there are tons of young kids buying new jerseys. Paulie is the team's leader, one of the most likely jerseys for these new consumers to be into. Lee would be coming in as an unknown. Lets also remember this -- even though I'm not one of them, there are those people out there who will run out to buy the new Sox road grey simply because the sleeve change on the old one is now unauthentic. Edited December 8, 2010 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Paulie said today that he hansn't received any 'heads up' on the Dunn signing and when he learned of it, he thought Dunn was brought in to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Good deal all around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:31 AM) I wonder how insistent the Sox are on PK taking 2 years. Maybe something creative can be worked out for the third. Boom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 10:57 AM) You're astounded? I want JJ Putz as my damned closer. PK precluded that from happening. Stop acting like his kids would go hungry if he took 3/$30. If someone was going to need to take a $$$ hit to bring Putz back, why does that fall on Konerko? If it's just about who has the most money to afford the hit, then why wasn't it on Reinsdorf to suck up a couple extra million? His kids wouldn't go hungry. Seems pretty arbitrary (and unfair) to link Konerko to Putz like that. As it is, Konerko agreed to defer some $$$ (lowering the present value of his contract) to give the Sox more flexibility. I'm not sure you can really expect more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 How has MLBTR still not mentioned this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 8, 2010 -> 01:30 PM) If someone was going to need to take a $$$ hit to bring Putz back, why does that fall on Konerko? If it's just about who has the most money to afford the hit, then why wasn't it on Reinsdorf to suck up a couple extra million? His kids wouldn't go hungry. Seems pretty arbitrary (and unfair) to link Konerko to Putz like that. As it is, Konerko agreed to defer some $$$ (lowering the present value of his contract) to give the Sox more flexibility. I'm not sure you can really expect more than that. There's one other possibility...the team itself didn't think Putz was going to be healthy enough to be worth a 2 year contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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