NorthSideSox72 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 03:51 PM) #brewers resigned they cant sign prince longerm. fielded calls from #chisox, #dodgers, #rangers, others. gauging the market - Jon Heyman Is he also reading this forum? Fielder for 1 year, and if you can't re-sign, go to Viciedo? That might not be a bad plan, since 1 year of Prince won't be horrible prospect-price-wise. Plus unlike with signing Paulie, you don't HAVE to engage for multiple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 04:53 PM) Fielder for 1 year, and if you can't re-sign, go to Viciedo? That might not be a bad plan, since 1 year of Prince won't be horrible prospect-price-wise. Plus unlike with signing Paulie, you don't HAVE to engage for multiple years. How you get Fielder without giving up Viciedo in our system I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) How you get Fielder without giving up Viciedo in our system I have no idea. Yeah that would be uber tough without giving up Danks or Floyd IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) How you get Fielder without giving up Viciedo in our system I have no idea. Offer a pallet of bratwurst with some prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 03:56 PM) How you get Fielder without giving up Viciedo in our system I have no idea. Yeah now that you mention it, that would be tough. Even if you package up some 2-3 of Escobar, Mitchell, Reed/Petricka (if they are even eligible), Mitchell, etc., maybe with one of the lower level guys... that probably still wouldn't do it, and the already thin system would be thoroughly gutted. But, if the Sox called, they must have had something in mind. I almost wonder if they were thinking someone on the major league roster, like Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 If we can't get Paulie, I'm down with starting Viciedo and using that 12-15 million on relievers. You could build one hell of a bullpen with the cash freed up by playing Viciedo, who I think will make a hell of a corner infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 04:08 PM) Yeah now that you mention it, that would be tough. Even if you package up some 2-3 of Escobar, Mitchell, Reed/Petricka (if they are even eligible), Mitchell, etc., maybe with one of the lower level guys... that probably still wouldn't do it, and the already thin system would be thoroughly gutted. But, if the Sox called, they must have had something in mind. I almost wonder if they were thinking someone on the major league roster, like Quentin. There's always a possibility they make the same offer they made for Gonzalez assuming they could sign Fielder to an extension. Not sure if Milwaukee would be interested in such an offer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:08 PM) Yeah now that you mention it, that would be tough. Even if you package up some 2-3 of Escobar, Mitchell, Reed/Petricka (if they are even eligible), Mitchell, etc., maybe with one of the lower level guys... that probably still wouldn't do it, and the already thin system would be thoroughly gutted. But, if the Sox called, they must have had something in mind. I almost wonder if they were thinking someone on the major league roster, like Quentin. Beckham possibly, it was reported that he was offered along with other prospects for AGon, but with the state of reporting the way it is right now I doubt that actually occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:12 PM) There's always a possibility they make the same offer they made for Gonzalez assuming they could sign Fielder to an extension. Not sure if Milwaukee would be interested in such an offer though. You'd be crazy to value Fielder and Gonzalez the same in a trade. First of all, one of them is a solid defender, the other is already best as a DH. Secondly, Gonzalez is on tap to make $6.5 million this season, while Fielder is looking at an arbitration raise from his $11 million deal last year. I wouldn't give up Beckham straight up for Fielder. I wouldn't have given him up for Gonzalez either, but I'd be less angry about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:15 PM) You'd be crazy to value Fielder and Gonzalez the same in a trade. First of all, one of them is a solid defender, the other is already best as a DH. Secondly, Gonzalez is on tap to make $6.5 million this season, while Fielder is looking at an arbitration raise from his $11 million deal last year. I wouldn't give up Beckham straight up for Fielder. I wouldn't have given him up for Gonzalez either, but I'd be less angry about that one. Agreed, I would want Fielder plus a bullpen piece or a decent prospect to offset the additional cash/lesser defense. Not sure if BrewCrew would even consider that though, they have Weeks still, and the fanbase would probably be upset that it wasn't Fielder straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 04:15 PM) You'd be crazy to value Fielder and Gonzalez the same in a trade. First of all, one of them is a solid defender, the other is already best as a DH. Secondly, Gonzalez is on tap to make $6.5 million this season, while Fielder is looking at an arbitration raise from his $11 million deal last year. I wouldn't give up Beckham straight up for Fielder. I wouldn't have given him up for Gonzalez either, but I'd be less angry about that one. I agree with you completely. I wouldn't trade Beckham for either guy, although I'd probably have gotten over a Gonzalez trade quickly if an extension was worked out. Anyways, I'm just saying we could probably make a competitive offer for Fielder without including any major league pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:30 PM) Anyways, I'm just saying we could probably make a competitive offer for Fielder without including any major league pitching. I don't know how we could. What would interest them. Quentin? They kinda have that but better in Braun. Sale can't be traded as anything but a PTBNL and that's a mess. Morel and Viciedo are really our only 2 legit trade pieces right now, and trading Morel makes Teahen your 3b starter again since you'd have no money left over after taking on Fielder. Basically, the best legit non-pitching offer we can make is Viciedo + Escobar, and I'm not sure I'd do that deal either considering that Fielder's going to be a $15 million or so player this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 04:33 PM) I don't know how we could. What would interest them. Quentin? They kinda have that but better in Braun. Sale can't be traded as anything but a PTBNL and that's a mess. Morel and Viciedo are really our only 2 legit trade pieces right now, and trading Morel makes Teahen your 3b starter again since you'd have no money left over after taking on Fielder. Basically, the best legit non-pitching offer we can make is Viciedo + Escobar, and I'm not sure I'd do that deal either considering that Fielder's going to be a $15 million or so player this year. I meant Beckham and a couple of prospects. Again, not saying I'd make that trade, but I'm sure that Doug Melvin would consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Kenny is going to be on the MLB Network in a few minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I doubt it will be anything new, but updates will be appreciated for those near a tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Rangers are shopping Michael Young around to save money for Lee. Isn't he someone Kenny has been linked with in the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:02 PM) Rangers are shopping Michael Young around to save money for Lee. Isn't he someone Kenny has been linked with in the past? $48M over the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) $48M over the next 3 years. Does that mean he has, or has not been linked to Kenny over the past few years? Sorry, I must be slow at this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) Rangers are shopping Michael Young around to save money for Lee. Isn't he someone Kenny has been linked with in the past? 16 mil a season for the next 3 years. That'd be payroll suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Capn12 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:05 PM) 16 mil a season for the next 3 years. That'd be payroll suicide. Peavy for Young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:04 PM) $48M over the next 3 years. Wow, $16 MM per over the next 3 years? Pass. I was going to say that I'd love to have him here playing 3B, but I thought that he was paid 11 or 12 MM per over 2 years. He's 32 or 33 isn't he? Edited December 7, 2010 by Elgin Slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 05:12 PM) If we can't get Paulie, I'm down with starting Viciedo and using that 12-15 million on relievers. You could build one hell of a bullpen with the cash freed up by playing Viciedo, who I think will make a hell of a corner infielder. The only problem I have with this scenario is with Ozzie as manager I just know we'll be seeing a lot of Adam Dunn at 1B and that would be a very bad thing. That's why I am now hoping for Derrick Lee. Even Ozzie isn't stupid enough to play Dunn at 1B when he has a gold glove caliber first baseman like Lee on the team, and Lee has been one of Ozzie's favorites from their days with the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:15 PM) The only problem I have with this scenario is with Ozzie as manager I just know we'll be seeing a lot of Adam Dunn at 1B and that would be a very bad thing. Well, if you go by either UZR or by runs saved, Adam Dunn at 1b really wasn't that much worse than Paul Konerko at 1b last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:18 PM) Well, if you go by either UZR or by runs saved, Adam Dunn at 1b really wasn't that much worse than Paul Konerko at 1b last year. But if you go by actually watching them play baseball, Dunn is a complete butcher in the field and Paulie is pretty decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Dec 7, 2010 -> 06:21 PM) But if you go by actually watching them play baseball, Dunn is a complete butcher in the field and Paulie is pretty decent. How much of Adam Dunn at 1b did you honestly watch last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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