Dbacks have reached a deal with Putz

[witesoxfan]

Well...they lost 59 dingers getting rid of LaRoche and Reynolds. Their such and up and down team and I really don't see a whole lot more upside than we've already seen. I agree they have some decent young talent like Upton and Kelly Johnson (if you wanna call him young at 28). Could they (the young guys) put it together this year? Maybe...but I wouldn't hold my breath. You seem more optimistic than 99% of DBag fans out here...

 

Would you feel good going into the season with a rotation of:

 

Ian Kennedy

Joe Saunders

Hudson

Duke

?

 

It depends on what you mean by good. If I thought I had a playoff contending baseball team, no, I would hate that rotation. However, if I was looking to develop a few starting pitchers and develop and offense and was in the beginning phases of turning the organization around, I'd have no problem with a rotation of Kennedy, Saunders, Hudson, Duke, and Enright.

 

I also don't think Reynolds and LaRoche's production from last year is going to be that difficult to replace. Reynolds was f***ing awful, and LaRoche was merely solid. I'd also forgotten that they got David Hernandez in that deal for Reynolds today...I haven't seen him pitch, but I've only heard good things about him as a potential bullpen arm with control being the biggest concern. I think he is probably going to end up being their setup man this year and doing a fine job of it.

 

I'm not suggesting that they are going to win the division, but finishing around .500 is not outside the realm of possibility.

[Wanne]

It depends on what you mean by good. If I thought I had a playoff contending baseball team, no, I would hate that rotation. However, if I was looking to develop a few starting pitchers and develop and offense and was in the beginning phases of turning the organization around, I'd have no problem with a rotation of Kennedy, Saunders, Hudson, Duke, and Enright.

 

I also don't think Reynolds and LaRoche's production from last year is going to be that difficult to replace. Reynolds was f***ing awful, and LaRoche was merely solid. I'd also forgotten that they got David Hernandez in that deal for Reynolds today...I haven't seen him pitch, but I've only heard good things about him as a potential bullpen arm with control being the biggest concern. I think he is probably going to end up being their setup man this year and doing a fine job of it.

 

I'm not suggesting that they are going to win the division, but finishing around .500 is not outside the realm of possibility.

 

You may be right...and stranger things have happened. Still...I see them to losing 90 games this year. And I guess that was the point of the DBags...why would Putz go there if he was looking to hook up with a contender.

[joeynach]

SI_JonHeyman Putz gets $10 mil guaranteed, 2 years from arizona

 

I don't think the Sox wanted to give him two years.

 

Hes getting like 4M in 2011 and 4.5M in 2012 with a 1.5M buyout or 6.5M team option. Thats not a bad deal at all. Im dissapointed the sox couldn't match that and pay him 1M and 1.5M more collectively than what we paid him last year 3M. There are not that many solid free agent relievers that make 4M on the open market.

[Leonard Washington]

I have a feeling Putz' signing is one of the things that's making KW impatient with Konerko.

[macsandz]

Im dissapointed the sox couldn't match that and pay him 1M and 1.5M more collectively than what we paid him last year 3M. There are not that many solid free agent relievers that make 4M on the open market.

 

Yeah, take it up with PK.

[soxrwhite]

A little concerned here about the pitching. Bullpen and rotation.

[justBLAZE]

A little concerned here about the pitching. Bullpen and rotation.

 

Rotation?

 

Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, Jackson, Peavy.

 

If Peavy isn't healthy to start the year, we sign a temp fix. (Garcia)

 

 

[Balta1701]

If Peavy isn't healthy to start the year, we sign a temp fix. (Garcia)

Kevin Correia was pretty bad last year, pitched 145 innings, went 10-10 with a 5.40 ERA pitching in Petco, and he just got a 2 year, $8 million deal. Garcia's likely looking at 2+ years and >$12 million based on that scale.

[justBLAZE]

Kevin Correia was pretty bad last year, pitched 145 innings, went 10-10 with a 5.40 ERA pitching in Petco, and he just got a 2 year, $8 million deal. Garcia's likely looking at 2+ years and >$12 million based on that scale.

 

It has been awfully quiet about Freddy this offseason, I'm sure we can sign a 5th starter for decent money, heck worst case scenario we bring someone from the minors and hope our offense carries the team. I'm praying Peavy is healthy to start the season.

[Balta1701]

It has been awfully quiet about Freddy this offseason, I'm sure we can sign a 5th starter for decent money, heck worst case scenario we bring someone from the minors and hope our offense carries the team. I'm praying Peavy is healthy to start the season.

Unless that person is "Chris Sale", that's an awful option. The starters at AAA are that weak.

[justBLAZE]

Unless that person is "Chris Sale", that's an awful option. The starters at AAA are that weak.

 

Maybe we can bring in Sale, and sign a stop gap in the bullpen until Peavy is ready and then move Sale there (which seems what the org wants to do in the first place). Moves are being made and we're hearing Sox are going all-in because they wanna capitalize on the rotation that we have.

 

My feeling: if Kenny was really concerned about the rotation we would see a SP being signed. As of right now they are concentrating on the field/bullpen which makes me think rotation will be fine. Just basing this on the offseason so far. Hope I'm right.

[Balta1701]

My feeling: if Kenny was really concerned about the rotation we would see a SP being signed. As of right now they are concentrating on the field/bullpen which makes me think rotation will be fine. Just basing this on the offseason so far. Hope I'm right.

I still think KW is bluffing when he says Peavy won't be ready in April.

[hi8is]

I still think KW is bluffing when he says Peavy won't be ready in April.

Why do you think he would bluff Balta?

This idea intrigues me.

 

 

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[nitetrain8601]

Well...they lost 59 dingers getting rid of LaRoche and Reynolds. Their such and up and down team and I really don't see a whole lot more upside than we've already seen. I agree they have some decent young talent like Upton and Kelly Johnson (if you wanna call him young at 28). Could they (the young guys) put it together this year? Maybe...but I wouldn't hold my breath. You seem more optimistic than 99% of DBag fans out here...

 

Would you feel good going into the season with a rotation of:

 

Ian Kennedy

Joe Saunders

Hudson

Duke

?

 

It's not a bad team. It's actually a nice setup for the future. I do agree though, they had a "good, young team" for the past few years and they just haven't been able to put it together. I thought their future was bright when they made the playoffs a few years ago, but they've stunk since. Upton is a good player, but I think he's overrated. Stephen Drew is another guy. I think it's time for them to tear it apart and build up all over again which it seems like they're doing.

 

I like their rotation so far.

[spiderman]

Hes getting like 4M in 2011 and 4.5M in 2012 with a 1.5M buyout or 6.5M team option. Thats not a bad deal at all. Im dissapointed the sox couldn't match that and pay him 1M and 1.5M more collectively than what we paid him last year 3M. There are not that many solid free agent relievers that make 4M on the open market.

 

I wonder if the White Sox are going to be more apprehensive in the future about giving long-term deals to middle relievers considering how up and down they tend to be from year to year. Granted, Putz could have been our closer option so I think a 2 year deal for him, hardly a long-term deal, would make sense.

 

Now, it seems as if, barring something unexpected, we're looking at spring training competition between Thornton, Santos and Sale. I'd prefer to keep Thornton in his role, and would love to start Sale, but I think he's the favorite right now. I don't believe Kerry Wood will be signing with the White Sox since he's looking for mult-years and pretty big money.

[knightni]

Tony Pena temporary #5 and some scrub signed (like Gray) to try long relief?

[witesoxfan]

Kevin Correia was pretty bad last year, pitched 145 innings, went 10-10 with a 5.40 ERA pitching in Petco, and he just got a 2 year, $8 million deal. Garcia's likely looking at 2+ years and >$12 million based on that scale.

 

It's also the Pirates making the offer. Even with lesser free agents, I think they generally will have to spend more money. Beyond that, this is still early in the offseason, so they can still afford to pick and choose their best offer. Correia also put up a 3.91 ERA, even if it was PetCo influenced, in 2009, so he's had semi-recent success. Finally, Correia has actually made quite a few starts over the past 2 years, and is a generally durable pitcher. Freddy Garcia made more major league starts last year than he did the previous 3 years combined. There is a huge durability issue with regard to Garcia.

 

I would say that, all things considered, Garcia is going to be lucky if he can get 2/$8 because I don't think teams are going to want to commit 2 years to him, which will reduce their price per year with him. Instead, they'd prefer to take a chance on him for 1 year, so I think that's probably his best option.

 

I think Freddy can get 1 year, $5 mill or so from a team.