Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 I'm guessing he's getting 3yrs with incentives that can take him into that 18-21 million dollar range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) I'm guessing he's getting 3yrs with incentives that can take him into that 18-21 million dollar range. Im thinking 16-18 million total over 3 years. MUCH more than we were willing to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) I'm guessing he's getting 3yrs with incentives that can take him into that 18-21 million dollar range. For that price, they can have him. Odds are you are going to lose at least one years worth of time to injury, and he isn't a $10 million a year pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:25 PM) For that price, they can have him. Odds are you are going to lose at least one years worth of time to injury, and he isn't a $10 million a year pitcher. That could be insurable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 05:27 PM) That could be insurable though. insurance costs money too, and it is based on risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 6, 2010 Share Posted December 6, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:36 PM) insurance costs money too, and it is based on risk. I'll bet you that the insurance costs were calculated and written down as part of the contract expenses here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 The good thing is that there seems to be a decent middle relief market out there. I wish Putz came back, but oh well, what can you do? I'd go after Balfour and Okajima. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I'm not really too upset by this. At least we get a pick out of it, and it's not like the market is bare for relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:24 PM) The good thing is that there seems to be a decent middle relief market out there. I wish Putz came back, but oh well, what can you do? I'd go after Balfour and Okajima. If we couldn't afford Putz I don't see how we'd be able to bring in Balfour either. Think it may be bargain bin bullpen shopping for KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I think we're adding a bullpen arm via trade, and maybe a couple bargain binners (Delcarmen, T. Buccholz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) If we couldn't afford Putz I don't see how we'd be able to bring in Balfour either. Think it may be bargain bin bullpen shopping for KW. And I don't have a problem with that. Overpaying for relievers usually means fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Jenks, Dotel and Carrasco coming back! Shoot me now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 SI_JonHeyman Putz gets $10 mil guaranteed, 2 years from arizona I don't think the Sox wanted to give him two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) If we couldn't afford Putz I don't see how we'd be able to bring in Balfour either. Think it may be bargain bin bullpen shopping for KW. what about someone like crain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Ken_Rosenthal Putz breakdown with #Diamondbacks: 2 yrs, 10M. 4M in 11, 4.5M in 12, 6.5M club option or 1.5M buyout. Max 15M over 3 yrs. #MLB 10 minutes ago Putz chose the money over a chance to be on a competing team let's hope PK doesn't follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 07:19 PM) Ken_Rosenthal Putz breakdown with #Diamondbacks: 2 yrs, 10M. 4M in 11, 4.5M in 12, 6.5M club option or 1.5M buyout. Max 15M over 3 yrs. #MLB 10 minutes ago Putz chose the money over a chance to be on a competing team let's hope PK doesn't follow suit. Konerkos money situation is nothing like JJs, and neither is his injury history, nor his age. Konerko doesn't have to follow the money unless it is a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:55 PM) SI_JonHeyman Putz gets $10 mil guaranteed, 2 years from arizona I don't think the Sox wanted to give him two years. That's a lot of coin for a reliever who has broken down a lot recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 07:20 PM) Konerkos money situation is nothing like JJs, and neither is his injury history, nor his age. Konerko doesn't have to follow the money unless it is a huge difference. JJ chose the diamondbacks for two reasons ( as I emailed you before) The first is he lives in AZ which was part of this. The second is He would have signed with the Sox for the exact same amount. The sox offered him 3.2 million. I think he made the right choice both on the money side, getting a second year and on a personal side spending much more time at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 06:55 PM) what about someone like crain? He'll be less costly but he'll still cost some money. He's coming off a nice year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 I don't quite understand why everyone assumes the DBacks are going to be bad. They had a good offense, they had a good defense, and their rotation was pretty solid...the main thing that was awful for them was their bullpen, and it was historically bad. Putz is part of that solution, and Towers has made a couple other moves (and will continue to make moves) to shore it up. I'm not suggesting they're going to be great by any stretch, but I could certainly see them being around .500. Beyond that, he gets quite a bit of money, and the Phoenix area is generally pretty relaxing. I wish JJ the best of luck. He had a hell of a season on the South Side, and we'll be thankful. Hopefully he tears the NL apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 09:50 PM) I don't quite understand why everyone assumes the DBacks are going to be bad. They had a good offense, they had a good defense, and their rotation was pretty solid...the main thing that was awful for them was their bullpen, and it was historically bad. Putz is part of that solution, and Towers has made a couple other moves (and will continue to make moves) to shore it up. I'm not suggesting they're going to be great by any stretch, but I could certainly see them being around .500. Beyond that, he gets quite a bit of money, and the Phoenix area is generally pretty relaxing. I wish JJ the best of luck. He had a hell of a season on the South Side, and we'll be thankful. Hopefully he tears the NL apart. Good points...they definitely have some nice young talent. I do still have questions about their rotation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 09:53 PM) Good points...they definitely have some nice young talent. I do still have questions about their rotation though. I think that's natural, but Hudson, Kennedy, Saunders, and Enright is a solid start, and I'm sure that Towers will add a few more pieces too. It's obviously not perfect, but there are worse rotations in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Jarrod Parker will make a nice addition when he's back in the swing of things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooftop Shots Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 07:41 PM) JJ chose the diamondbacks for two reasons ( as I emailed you before) The first is he lives in AZ which was part of this. The second is He would have signed with the Sox for the exact same amount. The sox offered him 3.2 million. I think he made the right choice both on the money side, getting a second year and on a personal side spending much more time at home. I guess that when it came on these issues, he made up his mind and decided not to Putz around anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 10:50 PM) I don't quite understand why everyone assumes the DBacks are going to be bad. They had a good offense, they had a good defense, and their rotation was pretty solid...the main thing that was awful for them was their bullpen, and it was historically bad. Putz is part of that solution, and Towers has made a couple other moves (and will continue to make moves) to shore it up. I'm not suggesting they're going to be great by any stretch, but I could certainly see them being around .500. Beyond that, he gets quite a bit of money, and the Phoenix area is generally pretty relaxing. I wish JJ the best of luck. He had a hell of a season on the South Side, and we'll be thankful. Hopefully he tears the NL apart. Well...they lost 59 dingers getting rid of LaRoche and Reynolds. Their such and up and down team and I really don't see a whole lot more upside than we've already seen. I agree they have some decent young talent like Upton and Kelly Johnson (if you wanna call him young at 28). Could they (the young guys) put it together this year? Maybe...but I wouldn't hold my breath. You seem more optimistic than 99% of DBag fans out here... Would you feel good going into the season with a rotation of: Ian Kennedy Joe Saunders Hudson Duke ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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