Multiple Sources: Sox actively shopping Quentin

[ScottyDo]

Pods was pretty good in LF wasn't he?

Say what you want about Q, at least he never had a ball bounce off his head.

[Lillian]

Goodness people, do you really think the Phillies are going to give up the top prospect in baseball for Carlos Quentin?

 

Well, the Phillies have said that they are looking for a right handed power hitting outfielder.

Since they now have Victorino, Ibanez and Dominic Brown, as their current outfielders, whom are they planning to replace with that right handed bat.

Which one do you think that they would give up for Quentin, in whom they have stated that have an interest?

 

They can't really believe that the Sox would consider Ibanez, so it would have to be Victorino or Brown. For those of you who scoffed at the idea that the Phillies would give up their top minor league prospect, what about the possibility that they would trade Victorino instead?

I would prefer Brown, as his upside is far greater, and he would save some money, which Victorino would not. Although Victorino together with a reliever would be closer to the kind of return that K.W. got for Lee. Victorino is another stolen base guy, although he has more pop than Posednik.

Could K.W. be thinking to put Victorino in CF, move Rios back to RF?

I wouldn't mind that move, if he replaced Pierre with Victorino at lead off, and then put Viciedo in LF, or aquired a proven run producer to play Left.

Edited December 11, 2010 by Lillian

[bigruss]

Well, the Phillies have said that they are looking for a right handed power hitting outfielder.

Since they now have Victorino, Ibanez and Dominic Brown, as their current outfielders, whom are they planning to replace with that right handed bat.

Which one do you think that they would give up for Quentin, in whom they have stated that have an interest?

 

They can't really believe that the Sox would consider Ibanez, so it would have to be Victorino or Brown. For those of you who scoffed at the idea that the Phillies would give up their top minor league prospect, what about the possibility that they would trade Victorino instead?

I would prefer Brown, as his upside is far greater, and he would save some money, which Victorino would not. Although Victorino together with a reliever would be closer to the kind of return that K.W. got for Lee. Victorino is another stolen base guy, although he has more pop than Posednik.

Victorino has much more value than Pods ever had.

[joeynach]

A lot of talk happens and rumors are out there that are true and aren't true. Cowley holds everyone else up to a 100% accuracy rate. He should live it as well. He's been about as wrong as you can be this entire offseason. Any idiot with a computer could have posted what he's posted this offseason. There really is no inside knowledge coming out of anything he has written.

 

Plus hasnt it been proven that his inside sources at the white sox the last few years has been Oney and Ozney Gullien (and their tweets). Some reliability huh?

[sircaffey]

Well, the Phillies have said that they are looking for a right handed power hitting outfielder.

Since they now have Victorino, Ibanez and Dominic Brown, as their current outfielders, whom are they planning to replace with that right handed bat.

Which one do you think that they would give up for Quentin, in whom they have stated that have an interest?

 

They can't really believe that the Sox would consider Ibanez, so it would have to be Victorino or Brown. For those of you who scoffed at the idea that the Phillies would give up their top minor league prospect, what about the possibility that they would trade Victorino instead?

I would prefer Brown, as his upside is far greater, and he would save some money, which Victorino would not. Although Victorino together with a reliever would be closer to the kind of return that K.W. got for Lee. Victorino is another stolen base guy, although he has more pop than Posednik.

Could K.W. be thinking to put Victorino in CF, move Rios back to RF?

I wouldn't mind that move, if he replaced Pierre with Victorino as lead off, and then put Viciedo in LF, or aquired a proven run producer to play Left.

Equally as unlikely as Quentin for Brown. Maybe even more, if that's possible.

[Lillian]

Victorino has much more value than Pods ever had.

 

You are absolutely right about that. There is no question that Pods was never the player that Victorino is, however it is interesting that Pods had a similar year to Victorino's last season, in the year before he was traded for Lee. He was about the same age then as Victorino is now, as well.

Like Victorino, Pods had also just completed a year when his batting average and OBP had dropped significantly, while his home run total jumped.

Victorino and Pods are both better suited as lead off hitters, not run producers, and perhaps K.W. thinks that he would be a valuable defensive upgrade and a better lead off hitter than his current left fielder.

 

[joeynach]

You are absolutely right about that. There is no question that Pods was never the player that Victorino is, however it is interesting that Pods had a similar year to Victorino's last season, in the year before he was traded for Lee. He was about the same age then as Victorino is now, as well.

Like Victorino, Pods had also just completed a year when his batting average and OBP had dropped significantly, while his home run total jumped.

Victorino and Pods are both better suited as lead off hitters, not run producers, and perhaps K.W. thinks that he would be a valuable defensive upgrade and a better lead off hitter than his current left fielder.

 

Are u saying Pierre+CQ for Victorino+Reliever?

[Dick Allen]

Cowley now saying Sox are looking for a "Carlos Lee-esque package" in return for Quentin.

Didn't he first say they were "asking for a lot"? IIRC, Lee went with the premise being some talent coming back, but the Sox took a hit in the talent dept. for the trade to free up salary, and in essence added others because of it, so they were considered part of the trade. He's already contradicted the tweet has spent 4 or 5 tweets defending after KW told someone he was full of s***.

 

He's bound to be correct on one of these guesses sometime, and watch his reaction when he is.

[Princess Dye]

Didn't he first say they were "asking for a lot"? IIRC, Lee went with the premise being some talent coming back, but the Sox took a hit in the talent dept. for the trade to free up salary, and in essence added others because of it, so they were considered part of the trade. He's already contradicted the tweet has spent 4 or 5 tweets defending after KW told someone he was full of s***.

 

He's bound to be correct on one of these guesses sometime, and watch his reaction when he is.

 

Having heard Cowley say this on 670, my take was that he was bringing up the Carlos Lee trade not as an example of what we'd get back, but just in terms of trading an established hitter for need-filling impact.

 

He didn't really use that example to discuss specifics.

[justBLAZE]

Merkin just tweeted that Kenny is really excited by the ticket sales so far (after the Dunn and Paulie signings) and if it keeps on going this way it may free up enough cash to again explore the FA market.

 

FWIW!

[maggsmaggs]

Merkin just tweeted that Kenny is really excited by the ticket sales so far (after the Dunn and Paulie signings) and if it keeps on going this way it may free up enough cash to again explore the FA market.

 

FWIW!

Very good news.

[Marty34]

Didn't he first say they were "asking for a lot"? IIRC, Lee went with the premise being some talent coming back, but the Sox took a hit in the talent dept. for the trade to free up salary, and in essence added others because of it, so they were considered part of the trade. He's already contradicted the tweet has spent 4 or 5 tweets defending after KW told someone he was full of s***.

 

He's bound to be correct on one of these guesses sometime, and watch his reaction when he is.

 

Do you really think Cowley is "guessing"? Things change. Would you rather he not tweet anything that contradicts previous tweets? This is exactly what twitter is for to report in "real time".

 

[ScottyDo]

Do you really think Cowley is "guessing"? Things change. Would you rather he not tweet anything that contradicts previous tweets? This is exactly what twitter is for to report in "real time".

I don't think anyone's expecting him to be accurate all the time, but it takes a lot of correctness to offset his massive douche factor. He's not even close in that department. Were his personality entirely removed from this equation, we'd probably just think he was slightly stupid (like a number of writers around town...coughROGERScough), but he's not doing himself any favors. He's gonna get blasted until he realizes he's not in the frathouse anymore (no offense to any fraternity members on this board).

 

Also, it does appear that he's guessing, since he hasn't been at the forefront of anything that panned out recently. And by "guessing" I mean his sources suck. Probably because he comes off as an ass all the time, so who's going to help him out? He's not catching many flies with his vinegar.

[Kyyle23]

Do you really think Cowley is "guessing"? Things change. Would you rather he not tweet anything that contradicts previous tweets? This is exactly what twitter is for to report in "real time".

 

Like I said earlier, if he wasnt so quick to rip others for being wrong, then he wouldnt get this treatment

[Dick Allen]

Do you really think Cowley is "guessing"? Things change. Would you rather he not tweet anything that contradicts previous tweets? This is exactly what twitter is for to report in "real time".

He's absolutely guessing, just as he's been all offseason.

 

This "real time" has been about 20 hours. Not much has changed except KW taking in a Bulls game and going to sleep. Cowley now says if he can't trade Quentin, maybe Viciedo or Teahan.

 

Sorry, I could come up with these tweets without talking to anyone or getting any inside scoop. Its not like KW has a lot of guy he realistically could trade where he could get salary relief and useful players in return. Exactly what would he get for Teahen?

 

If "Phillip from the Tribune" had Cowley's record predicting the future this offseason, Cowley would have a field day. Did you see the tweets that said KW "destroyed" Rogers? KW "destroyed" Cowley today. Its time to have a field day at his expense.

Edited December 11, 2010 by Dick Allen

[Princess Dye]

They wouldn't leak this if they weren't going to go thru with it. Merkin writes for whitesox.com, right?

[Dick Allen]

They wouldn't leak this if they weren't going to go thru with it. Merkin writes for whitesox.com, right?

The problem with trading for middle releivers is the real good ones who are effective year after year cost a lot in talent and money. KW is probably going to have to pay a lot of money either way unless he wants to hurt another part of his team. He may be better off to wait it out. A lot of teams have to be running out of money and there are quite a few relievers still on the board. A bargain may be had.

[joeynach]

Merkin just tweeted that Kenny is really excited by the ticket sales so far (after the Dunn and Paulie signings) and if it keeps on going this way it may free up enough cash to again explore the FA market.

 

FWIW!

 

That would be good becuase now that Scott Downs has signed with the Angles, and I read that Matt Guerrer has an offer from Boston, the number of good FA relievers left on market is dwindling.

[ScottyDo]

He's absolutely guessing, just as he's been all offseason.

 

This "real time" has been about 20 hours. Not much has changed except KW taking in a Bulls game and going to sleep. Cowley now says if he can't trade Quentin, maybe Viciedo or Teahan.

 

Sorry, I could come up with these tweets without talking to anyone or getting any inside scoop. Its not like KW has a lot of guy he realistically could trade where he could get salary relief and useful players in return. Exactly what would he get for Teahen?

 

If "Phillip from the Tribune" had Cowley's record predicting the future this offseason, Cowley would have a field day. Did you see the tweets that said KW "destroyed" Rogers? KW "destroyed" Cowley today. Its time to have a field day at his expense.

It might actually be a fun experiment to try this: tweet whatever you see based on a little online research and see if you can scoop Cowley at every turn. That'd REALLY piss him off.

[joeynach]

The problem with trading for middle releivers is the real good ones who are effective year after year cost a lot in talent and money. KW is probably going to have to pay a lot of money either way unless he wants to hurt another part of his team. He may be better off to wait it out. A lot of teams have to be running out of money and there are quite a few relievers still on the board. A bargain may be had.

 

You have any names in mind that might be able to be had for less money later in FA. Probably not any type A's, but any ideas?

[Marty34]

Merkin didn't exactly write that they are encouraged by ticket sales. Here's what he said:

 

# Ken Williams. "I’m encouraged by the excitement from our fans ....

 

 

# . Perhaps if that excitement manifests itself into turning out to more ticket sales... 32 minutes ago via web

Edited December 11, 2010 by Marty34

[justBLAZE]

Merkin didn't exactly write that they are encouraged by ticket sales. Here's what he said:

 

Read between the lines, homie.

[maggsmaggs]

Merkin didn't exactly write that they are encouraged by ticket sales. Here's what he said:

Hopes dashed.

[elrockinMT]

I'm of the opinion that, in modern times, any beat writer who only posts information that turns out to be correct, isn't working very hard.

 

 

You are right they should just make things up to keep their jobs. After all they can just later say that the fake deals they wrote about just fell through

[Jerksticks]

I'm of the opinion that, in modern times, any beat writer who only posts information that turns out to be correct, isn't working very hard.

 

There's really no other way to look at it, as I think you hit the nail on the head. Who cares if this Cowley guy says the Sox are trading Quentin? I'm still gonna get up, go to work, check out some Soxtalk, go to bed and do it all over again. When there's news, there's news; and if Cowley wants to take some childish credit/pride for "knowing it first", well then God bless his little heart. This whole "contest" of who's breaking stories first is sad, real sad. Go give your family a hug instead.