Cliff Lee signs with Phillies

[Buehrle>Wood]

I would never do that trade.

[Wanne]

So just wth is Philly's entire payroll next year?...

[Balta1701]

So just wth is Philly's entire payroll next year?...

Verducci says today its >$160 million.

[bschmaranz]

Verducci says today its >$160 million.

 

That K to BB rate thing is insane. 4 of the top 8 in the league reside in Philly now. As if 3 of 8 weren't great already.

[The Ginger Kid]

You know...even if a deal like that is a fair deal for everyone involved...it's just so complicated that I couldn't possibly fathom it happening. There's so many veto points, management, ownership on each team, the players themselves, contracts, etc.

if it were the NBA, then yes. but i agree.

[bschmaranz]

Yankees counter? Russell Martin and Mark Prior. Take that Red Sox and Phillies!

[SoxFan562004]

Yankees counter? Russell Martin and Mark Prior. Take that Red Sox and Phillies!

Oh I'm sure according to ESPN those will be in the top 5 moves of the offseason.

 

When they signed Javy last year everyone on ESPN said how great it was except they didn't give any reasons why they thought this time in NY would be any different

[Balta1701]

Oh I'm sure according to ESPN those will be in the top 5 moves of the offseason.

 

When they signed Javy last year everyone on ESPN said how great it was except they didn't give any reasons why they thought this time in NY would be any different

You really want to test that hypothesis? Let's see how the world reacts if they sign Pavano.

[bschmaranz]

Oh I'm sure according to ESPN those will be in the top 5 moves of the offseason.

 

And they did. Right in the middle of Sportscenter they dropped everything to announce the Yanks had signed Martin. Karl Ravech made a comment along the lines of "Lee is signed, the big chips are starting to fall. Yankees pick up Russell Martin."

[Brian]

And they did. Right in the middle of Sportscenter they dropped everything to announce the Yanks had signed Martin. Karl Ravech made a comment along the lines of "Lee is signed, the big chips are starting to fall. Yankees pick up Russell Martin."

 

What year is this?

[Jordan4life_2007]

I'm really curious to learn more about the details of the vesting option and what would Lee get if he met the criteria. I'm hearing $20+ million? I'm getting sick of all the praise Lee's getting for "taking less" money. If the numbers are anywhere close to said $20 million, then he's not really taking less money at all.

[3E8]

I'm really curious to learn more about the details of the vesting option and what would Lee get if he met the criteria. I'm hearing $20+ million? I'm getting sick of all the praise Lee's getting for "taking less" money. If the numbers are anywhere close to said $20 million, then he's not really taking less money at all.

$27.5M with 200IP in 2015 or 400IP in 2014 & 2015.

[Dick Allen]

I'm really curious to learn more about the details of the vesting option and what would Lee get if he met the criteria. I'm hearing $20+ million? I'm getting sick of all the praise Lee's getting for "taking less" money. If the numbers are anywhere close to said $20 million, then he's not really taking less money at all.

Apparently he left some money on the table, but you are right, what really is he giving up by only making about $24 million a year the next 5 years? If he signed for $10 million a year, I'd give him props, money wasn't important. Money obviously was important.

[SoxFan562004]

I'm really curious to learn more about the details of the vesting option and what would Lee get if he met the criteria. I'm hearing $20+ million? I'm getting sick of all the praise Lee's getting for "taking less" money. If the numbers are anywhere close to said $20 million, then he's not really taking less money at all.

it's out there, it's something like either 200 IPs the last year or 400 combined for the last two years before the vesting option. Will get interesting if he regresses a decent amount and they are pulling him in the 6th inning

[Jordan4life_2007]

$27.5M with 200IP in 2015 or 400IP in 2014 & 2015.

 

$27.5? WTF? lol. Man f*** Cliff Lee. And this is another reason I will NEVER get married. Apparently his wife was a major factor in his decision to go back to Philly. b**** STFU and realize you're pretty worthless and just happen to be married to a professional athlete. So some dumbass Yankee fans were mean to you once. Not saying I wanted him to go to NY. But GMAB.

[NorthSideSox72]

$27.5? WTF? lol. Man f*** Cliff Lee. And this is another reason I will NEVER get married. Apparently his wife was a major factor in his decision to go back to Philly. b**** STFU and realize you're pretty worthless and just happen to be married to a professional athlete. So some dumbass Yankee fans were mean to you once. Not saying I wanted him to go to NY. But GMAB.

Stay classy.

 

[nitetrain8601]

Stay classy.

 

San Diego.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, I actually agree with Jordan4Life, not in those vulgar terms, but I also understand Cliff Lee feels he has a keeper and was willing to compromise. Now if the whole decision was up to his wife, then my opinion differs.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Stay classy.

 

Fine, my fault. I shouldn't have said b****. But my point remains the same. I get sick of these athletes wives.

[witesoxfan]

Fine, my fault. I shouldn't have said b****. But my point remains the same. I get sick of these athletes wives.

 

It's not like he's making chump change. Besides that, if she's comfortable in Philly, I guarantee you he is going to be comfortable (and you can take that as innocently or provocatively as you like, because it's going to be true either way)

[kitekrazy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101215/ap_on_...e/bbo_cliff_lee

 

I just read this. I say bullshevik on some of it-not regrading Lee. Players still follow the money.

 

Then again New York is one of the most expensive places to live because of taxation. I read where an NBA player wanted out of Toronto because of taxes.

[Princess Dye]

$27.5? WTF? lol. Man f*** Cliff Lee. And this is another reason I will NEVER get married. Apparently his wife was a major factor in his decision to go back to Philly. b**** STFU and realize you're pretty worthless and just happen to be married to a professional athlete. So some dumbass Yankee fans were mean to you once. Not saying I wanted him to go to NY. But GMAB.

 

 

Michael Jordan should really stop posting here.

[ptatc]

$27.5? WTF? lol. Man f*** Cliff Lee. And this is another reason I will NEVER get married. Apparently his wife was a major factor in his decision to go back to Philly. b**** STFU and realize you're pretty worthless and just happen to be married to a professional athlete. So some dumbass Yankee fans were mean to you once. Not saying I wanted him to go to NY. But GMAB.

 

I don't think you need to worry about the getting married thing.

[bschmaranz]

I don't think you need to worry about the getting married thing.

 

I was about to say the same thing. Enjoy dying alone chief. And at what point financially does comfort-ability become the deciding factor? I'd rather make $30 million and see my family be comfortable with their surroundings then take $100+ million and be miserable. An athlete's career is short enough, might as well enjoy it while you can. You're financially set in either scenario.

Edited December 15, 2010 by bschmaranz

[SoxAce]

It's not like he's making chump change. Besides that, if she's comfortable in Philly, I guarantee you he is going to be comfortable (and you can take that as innocently or provocatively as you like, because it's going to be true either way)

 

I would hate for Lee to struggle again, and pitch what he isn't worth. (which is Ace money) If his wife thinks NY fans are bad/mean... Philly really isn't exactly "Brotherly Love" themselves.

Edited December 15, 2010 by J.Reedfan8