Bobby Jenks to the Red Sox

[Jordan4life_2007]

I want a Gyro, fries with extra cucumber sauce.

[RockRaines]

Players don't read websites like ESPN or Sports Illustrated?

No, they arent obsessing over a twitter story and trying to analyze what it means for the White Sox. Like I said, I know a player that hasnt picked up a sports section in 5 years because its not worth even reading a tiny blurb talking about how a team should trade you. A twitter account and the perspective of a non-MLB employee is just not something they are overly concerned about. I understand you think its a HUGE deal, but I dont agree.

[BigSqwert]

No, they arent obsessing over a twitter story and trying to analyze what it means for the White Sox. Like I said, I know a player that hasnt picked up a sports section in 5 years because its not worth even reading a tiny blurb talking about how a team should trade you. A twitter account and the perspective of a non-MLB employee is just not something they are overly concerned about. I understand you think its a HUGE deal, but I dont agree.

 

So 100 MLB players sampled means nothing to you but 1 player who doesn't read the news is something to rely on?

Edited December 30, 2010 by BigSqwert

[The Gooch]

I don't see how you could say that. This poll indicates quite clearly that there are quite a few players out there that would never want to play for an Ozzie led club.

 

I tend to be critical of a poll that only states "A survey of 100 random major league players are asked 20-some questions." I want more information than this about the survey and probably a larger sample size.

[Balta1701]

So 100 MLB players sampled means nothing to you but 1 player who doesn't read the news is something to rely on?

BS, I think you're right that a good number of players aren't fans of Ozzie Guillen, and out of all the managers out there, he's probably as well known as a controversial guy as anyone.

 

I just really don't think that there are that many players who, when push comes to shove, actually care.

 

With almost every FA out there, it's required the Sox making a competitive offer. With the few guys like Kerry Wood who turn down more money from us to go somewhere else, they do the same thing from other teams. With guys who have NTC clauses, they don't get in the way; with Peavy, he wasn't ready to waive his for anyone, and we got him anyway.

 

For guys who are already here, if we want to keep them, we usually have a good shot if we're willing to spend the money.

 

People say things like that when they're asked something in a poll, then if they are asked to put their money where their mouth is by taking $2-$3 million less to go somewhere else, they go with the money.

[BigSqwert]

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said Balta but this latest fiasco involving the Guillen family only makes things worse when it comes to those players that are borderline about wanting to come here.

[Balta1701]

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said Balta but this latest fiasco involving the Guillen family only makes things worse when it comes to those players that are borderline about wanting to come here.

And at least to me, there's likely to be a group of players who actually respect the Sox more because they stood up to Jenks rather than letting him rip the team. The group of players who don't want clubhouse things ever discussed may be larger, but I doubt it's 95-5 or anythign like that.

 

So at least to me, you've got the small group of people who actually decide based on things other than money, then based on things other than the pennant races, then based on these exact issues discussed here, and then the ones who find this to be an immortal sin.

 

Basically, I think it's much more likely that it will never matter, and if it does, it's probably not on an irreplaceable player.

[Harry Chappas]

I don't see how you could say that. This poll indicates quite clearly that there are quite a few players out there that would never want to play for an Ozzie led club.

 

That fact that Ozzie is in the media and has been around for 7 years makes this poll skewed.

 

Adam Dunn had never met or spoken to Ozzie Guillen before he signed with the White Sox.

 

How could he then say if he wanted to play with them or not.

 

Baseball is not the tight knit community that people think it is.

Edited December 30, 2010 by Harry Chappas

[ptatc]

I want a Gyro, fries with extra cucumber sauce.

 

X2 with ouzo and a Coke

[RockRaines]

X2 with ouzo and a Coke

Morning cocktails?

[BigSqwert]

That fact that Ozzie is in the media and has been around for 7 years makes thsi poll skewed.

 

Adam Dunn had never met or spoken to Ozzie Guillen before he signed withteh White Sox.

 

How could he then say if he wanted to plpay with them or not.

 

Baseball is not the tight knit community that peopel think it is.

Players don't talk to each other?

 

And I guess I'll take your word on how close players are in baseball seeing that you have years of experience playing in MLB.

Edited December 30, 2010 by BigSqwert

[ptatc]

That fact that Ozzie is in the media and has been around for 7 years makes thsi poll skewed.

 

Adam Dunn had never met or spoken to Ozzie Guillen before he signed withteh White Sox.

 

How could he then say if he wanted to plpay with them or not.

Baseball is not the tight knit community that peopel think it is.

 

The teams are. The players are only tight with friends from previous teams and otherplayers their agents represent.

[ptatc]

Morning cocktails?

 

It's almost afternoon. (I'm also home with my kids who are still out of school)

 

Besdies a shot of ouzo is good anytime when when gyros is served.

[Harry Chappas]

Players don't talk to each other?

 

They might but I do not think it is as much as we are making it out to be.

 

Jake Peavy wanted nothing to do with the White Sox and Ozzie Guillen until he spoke to Scoot Linebrink. If the White Sox were such a disaster why would Linebrink convince Peavy to come there.

 

Thorton did the same thing with Putz.

 

 

[RockRaines]

It's almost afternoon. (I'm also home with my kids who are still out of school)

 

Besdies a shot of ouzo is good anytime when when gyros is served.

I just had wishbone for breakfast and you are already making me hungry for lunch. I wish i was in DG thought because Gyros King still dominates the fast food places here in Greek Town.

[ptatc]

Players don't talk to each other?

 

And I guess I'll take your word on how close players are in baseball seeing that you have years of experience playing in MLB.

 

They talk but unless their close the money will over ride any gossip. And yes I've spend a good amount of time in MLB, NFL and NBA locker rooms.

[RockRaines]

They might but I do not think it is as much as we are making it out to be.

 

Jake Peavy wanted nothing to do with the White Sox and Ozzie Guillen until he spoke to Scoot Linebrink. If the White Sox were such a disaster why would Linebrink convince Peavy to come there.

 

Thorton did the same thing with Putz.

Why did I never think of that nickname for him before?

[TheBlackSox8]

So 100 MLB players sampled means nothing to you but 1 player who doesn't read the news is something to rely on?

so it's 30% of 100 players? That would be 30 RANDOM players against.....out of 1280 players (if you count 40 man roster)

I'd care more about a list of managers that players want to play for and see where he is on that list.

[iamshack]

It's one thing to hear Ozzie is a goof, or Ozzie is crazy, or whatever. It's another thing to hear or read in print Ozzie's kid say a player is a crybaby, discuss his use of alcohol or drugs, discuss incidents out at a bar, discuss the current state of that player's marriage, etc.

 

You guys can downplay it all you want, but there are players in the MLB who will not even want to touch that situation, or maybe they would come here but would always be guarded.

 

How that is beneficial to us, I dunno...but you guys keep making stuff up to make yourselves feel better.

[Jordan4life_2007]

X2 with ouzo and a Coke

 

Damn, you're cooler than I thought.

[thedoctor]

i'm not sure anything bad will happen as a repercussion for oney's big mouth (tweet?) but i'm 100 percent certain that nothing good will come of it.

[NorthSideSox72]

This reminds me of the debates about whether or not emotions effect play. Of course they do, to say otherwise is silly - these are human beings. Similarly here, I am sure it will have some effect. The real question is, how much of one? On current players or prospective ones? No one can know the answer, but I think we can all say pretty confidently that any effect won't be a positive one.

 

Also...

 

X2 with ouzo and a Coke

 

Oh my lord. Ouzo by itself is bad enough, but mixed with Coke? I think I'd rather drink vomit.

 

[Jordan4life_2007]

This reminds me of the debates about whether or not emotions effect play. Of course they do, to say otherwise is silly - these are human beings. Similarly here, I am sure it will have some effect. The real question is, how much of one? On current players or prospective ones? No one can know the answer, but I think we can all say pretty confidently that any effect won't be a positive one.

 

Also...

 

 

 

Oh my lord. Ouzo by itself is bad enough, but mixed with Coke? I think I'd rather drink vomit.

 

Lightweight.

[ptatc]

It's one thing to hear Ozzie is a goof, or Ozzie is crazy, or whatever. It's another thing to hear or read in print Ozzie's kid say a player is a crybaby, discuss his use of alcohol or drugs, discuss incidents out at a bar, discuss the current state of that player's marriage, etc.

 

You guys can downplay it all you want, but there are players in the MLB who will not even want to touch that situation, or maybe they would come here but would always be guarded.

 

How that is beneficial to us, I dunno...but you guys keep making stuff up to make yourselves feel better.

 

I'm sure there are. but I bet if you ask them would you rather play in this situation or for the Pirates, the answer would be different.

 

All players have some preferences. Remember Curt Schilling would never play for JR due to his perceived role in the 93-94 strike.

 

All I'm saying is that I'm sure there are players who wouldn't play for Ozzie but I'm also sure that there are others who love to play for a manager who tells them straight up what the situation is and communicates with them.

 

I think this Oney situation could change that some however as players may be less open with Ozzie.

[LVSoxFan]

It's one thing to hear Ozzie is a goof, or Ozzie is crazy, or whatever. It's another thing to hear or read in print Ozzie's kid say a player is a crybaby, discuss his use of alcohol or drugs, discuss incidents out at a bar, discuss the current state of that player's marriage, etc.

 

^This.

 

I'm not an Ozzie-hater but for the life of me I cannot understand why he has not told Oney to STFU, for good.