Bobby Jenks to the Red Sox

[BigSqwert]

At least you took off your fire Ozzie sig through Christmas. Now it's back. Over this??

 

Yes over this. The Guillen family is nothing but a circus show. I'm embarrassed that he's our manager and he's not even good at that.

 

And I'm thoroughly convinced that Ozzie could pull an O.J. on his wife and you'd still think he should manage this team.

Edited December 30, 2010 by BigSqwert

[whtsoxfan]

Jenks was right about Ozzie mismanaging the bullpen...he kept giving the ball to Jenks in a save situation, and he'd blow it.

[BigSqwert]

Jenks was right about Ozzie mismanaging the bullpen...he kept giving the ball to Jenks in a save situation, and he'd blow it.

 

Nicely done.

[justBLAZE]

Yes over this. The Guillen family is nothing but a circus show. I'm embarrassed that he's our manager and he's not even good at that.

 

And I'm thoroughly convinced that Ozzie could pull an O.J. on his wife and you'd still think he should manage this team.

 

I understand that you hate Ozzie and want him gone.

 

Oney Guillen is a 25 year old human being, what's Ozzie susposse to do, bend him over a knee and give him a spanking?

[BigSqwert]

I understand that you hate Ozzie and want him gone.

 

Oney Guillen is a 25 year old human being, what's Ozzie susposse to do, bend him over a knee and give him a spanking?

For one, he should publicly denounce Oney and everything that he tweeted. Then he should address his entire team and let them know how something like this will never happen again.

[RockRaines]

For one, he should publicly denounce Oney and everything that he tweeted. Then he should address his entire team and let them know how something like this will never happen again.

You expect him to go public denouncing his son? Apparently you dont understand how close that family is. I am sure there has been something said to the team, and if not, there will be. Of course you wont hear anything about it

[justBLAZE]

For one, he should publicly denounce Oney and everything that he tweeted. Then he should address his entire team and let them know how something like this will never happen again.

 

I don't think the first one happens, as Oney is an adult and he can tweet whatever he wants. I assume Oney hasn't learned any of this in a dinner conversation, but while being in the clubhouse when he was younger.

 

As far as the team talk, even if it happens we probably won't know about it.

[The Critic]

I don't think the first one happens, as Oney is an adult and he can tweet whatever he wants. I assume Oney hasn't learned any of this in a dinner conversation, but while being in the clubhouse when he was younger.

 

As far as the team talk, even if it happens we probably won't know about it.

Unless Oney tweets about it, of course....

 

[iamshack]

You expect him to go public denouncing his son? Apparently you dont understand how close that family is. I am sure there has been something said to the team, and if not, there will be. Of course you wont hear anything about it

I respect their right to be close as a family, but if this sort of thing is going to happen, then apparently "they" have no business managing a major league baseball team.

 

This is not some AAA team in Bumf***, Nowhere or Caracas.

[Princess Dye]

If I tell my boss something private, it's on me to know that could tell his wife, he could tell his family in some moment. He could tell anyone in a drunken moment.

 

Maybe an unfair parallel, but I guess I just have some trouble with the idea the manager has to be a mental health professional. Obviously he can be. But there are managers/coaches you just know not to approach with that stuff. Scott Skiles in the NBA comes to mind. Players aren't trusting him with deep personal things. He's an x's and o's guy exclusively.

 

Maybe that holds Skiles back from being the idea NBA coach. I don't know. I'm sure there are many like him. Maybe Ozzie becomes that now, and maybe it's not some awful thing.

[ptatc]

Yeah, but he's been here his entire career, basically.

 

That's a little different than someone who has no ties here and didn't win a championship here, with this manager.

 

that person who wasn't here wouldn't have known about the distraction in the clubhouse either. It wasn't out there until PK talked about it.

 

You can go around and around with this. It's still something far down the list of priorities when signing as a free agent. The Sox seem to sign a number of free agents. If someone is so weak minded that he won't sign here due to a soap opera distractions, which apparently are exclusive to Chicago, I'm not sure I want them.

 

It's not like the instability from the Mets, LaRussa publically calling out Rasmus, or Giradi feuding with Steinbrenner just to name a few.

[justBLAZE]

Unless Oney tweets about it, of course....

 

 

 

Not defending Oney, however after last year's fiasco I remember him tweeting that he won't be talking/tweeting criticizing the White Sox any more and pretty much kept that promise. His tweets in the second half of the season weren't much different from the likes of a casual fan.. he is the skippers son however and always will be perceived that way.

[Kyyle23]

If I tell my boss something private, it's on me to know that could tell his wife, he could tell his family in some moment. He could tell anyone in a drunken moment.

 

Maybe an unfair parallel, but I guess I just have some trouble with the idea the manager has to be a mental health professional. Obviously he can be. But there are managers/coaches you just know not to approach with that stuff. Scott Skiles in the NBA comes to mind. Players aren't trusting him with deep personal things. He's an x's and o's guy exclusively.

 

Maybe that holds Skiles back from being the idea NBA coach. I don't know. I'm sure there are many like him. Maybe Ozzie becomes that now, and maybe it's not some awful thing.

 

You think if you told your boss that you had a problem drinking and you were going into rehab, and then your bosses Son went on twitter( or any social networking site in which coworkers could see what he said) and he put you on blast that it wouldnt be an HR nightmare that could result in your boss getting fired?

 

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that my boss would be fired on the spot.

[RockRaines]

I respect their right to be close as a family, but if this sort of thing is going to happen, then apparently "they" have no business managing a major league baseball team.

 

This is not some AAA team in Bumf***, Nowhere or Caracas.

So Ozzie should kill his kid? Oney is a 25 year old fan of the team, he is an adult. Ozzie is the manager and had nothing to do with anything you are debating. It may seem like a good platform for you to continue to call for his head, but this is outside of his scope. Maybe you should educate him on how to beat his grown up kids into silence?

[RockRaines]

You think if you told your boss that you had a problem drinking and you were going into rehab, and then your bosses Son went on twitter( or any social networking site in which coworkers could see what he said) and he put you on blast that it wouldnt be an HR nightmare that could result in your boss getting fired?

 

I can tell you with 100 percent certainty that my boss would be fired on the spot.

Thats not what happened. Oney knows this stuff first hand, he's been close to Bobby for years.

[Kyyle23]

i think at the very least Ozzie should come out and say that he does not agree with his son releasing privileged information. You guys are right, Oney is an adult and Ozzie is past the point of punishing his child. But at the same time Ozzie has to own up to the fact that information was put in the public that should not have been, and Ozzie may or may not be responsible for that information getting to Oney, but he is Oneys father and sometimes parents have to apologize for their kids doing dumb things, no matter how old they are

[BigSqwert]

Thats not what happened. Oney knows this stuff first hand, he's been close to Bobby for years.

I know you're considered an insider or whatever but you can't possibly know that to be 100% true.

[Kalapse]

I don't think the first one happens, as Oney is an adult and he can tweet whatever he wants. I assume Oney hasn't learned any of this in a dinner conversation, but while being in the clubhouse when he was younger.

 

As far as the team talk, even if it happens we probably won't know about it.

When his tweets have the potential to complicate Ozzie's career then no he can't tweet whatever the hell he wants. I've spent some time at my father's workplace over the years and gotten to know his coworkers, if I starting sharing sensitive, personal information about his former coworkers he'd stomp my f***ing ass and I'd say we have a pretty close relationship. Oney's pampered lifestyle is direct result of his father's hard work and ability to hold a job in the game of baseball, why Oney would want to put that at risk is beyond me. I suppose it arises from that family's ridiculous machismo.

[justBLAZE]

Thats not what happened. Oney knows this stuff first hand, he's been close to Bobby for years.

 

Exactly!

 

As far as Bobby goes, 'dont throw stones if you live in a glass house'

[Kyyle23]

Thats not what happened. Oney knows this stuff first hand, he's been close to Bobby for years.

 

I was responding to what Princess dyes scenario presented. And I agree with Sqwert, you are acting like you know this family. Your insider knowledge only goes so far

[Kalapse]

Exactly!

 

As far as Bobby goes, 'dont throw stones if you live in a glass house'

Except Bobby kept it professional, he was b****ing about on the field stuff. Oney came right back with ultra personal information. What the f*** ever happened to the high road?

[RockRaines]

I know you're considered an insider or whatever but you can't possibly know that to be 100% true.

That they hung out quite a bit, yes 100% I know it to be true. Witnessed it first hand.

[RockRaines]

I was responding to what Princess dyes scenario presented. And I agree with Sqwert, you are acting like you know this family. Your insider knowledge only goes so far

I know they've hung out quite a bit first hand. Thats what I am referring to. If I didnt ditch an old cell phone I could show you a picture of a few members of the pen with Oney and Oz Jr.

[iamshack]

So Ozzie should kill his kid? Oney is a 25 year old fan of the team, he is an adult. Ozzie is the manager and had nothing to do with anything you are debating. It may seem like a good platform for you to continue to call for his head, but this is outside of his scope. Maybe you should educate him on how to beat his grown up kids into silence?

Where are you getting the beating and killing from? Jesus, no one ever even hinted at that.

 

Secondly, if you think Ozzie has nothing to do with this, and this is outside his scope, you're absolutely kidding yourself. Ozzie brings his kids into the fray, which is fine by me, lots of managers do it. But if his kids are not mature enough to understand what needs to stay behind closed doors and what is ok to talk about, then yes, that reflects poorly on Ozzie and ultimately he is responsible for it.

 

No one has the right to force Ozzie to do anything in relation to how he handles his family. But if his family continues to make the Organization look poorly because of the privileges extended to Ozzie's family due to his position as manager, whether in the past or present, then Ozzie will be fired. This is the real world and this crap is not tolerated.

 

To say it's outside of his scope or not his responsibility or that he had nothing to do with it is just not true.

[justBLAZE]

Except Bobby kept it professional, he was b****ing about on the field stuff. Oney came right back with ultra personal information. What the f*** ever happened to the high road?

 

I agree that Oney went over the line, and he should keep his mouth shut!

 

I disagree that Bobby kept it professional. Everyone here wanted Ozzie gone because he kept sending Jenks up there last season remember? Now Bobby tells media Ozzie doesn't know how to run a bullpen! Hypocrite!

Edited December 30, 2010 by justBLAZE